my formula vs my buddys gt

[ls1wallen]

so i have a all stock formula nothing done to it. he has a 98 gt mustang with a bigger throttle body, bigger injectors and manifold. he has been giving me shit about driving a GM for years. so i finally call him out. we do a 30 pull. we are head to head for about 2 seconds then i just slaughter him.

[anniversary30]

:slap::spank2:Now tell him to go buy a f body and shut his trap. Me and my bud go through this all the time except his stang is fast ! He's got and 04 cobra that has been played with a touch.

[Damon33]

Nice

[Zinergy]

Good job, bolt on 2v mustangs are always ego boosters.

[Superluminal]

Seriously, that model/year Mustang GT only had 225hp stock. There are bolt on Civics that can beat it. It's pitiful. Unless these cars have extensive modifications, they are slow as dirt. I remember I was in my friends daily, and Chevy Malibu automatic, and we beat a mid 90s Mustang GT with mods, from a roll.

In my opinion, you shouldn't touch those cars unless your planing on pulling out that shitty motor and replacing it with something that will get the car moving. The chassis isn't terrible though, so it's a good car to build up if you have a motor setup for it.

[preston1980]

so i have a all stock formula nothing done to it. he has a 98 gt mustang with a bigger throttle body, bigger injectors and manifold. he has been giving me shit about driving a GM for years. so i finally call him out. we do a 30 pull. we are head to head for about 2 seconds then i just slaughter him.

nice kill, you guys both autos or is one a stick? I know a stockish 4.6 2v car is slow, but an auto is even slower.

To make the race more fun, you should let him take off first, then see how long it takes to pass him. That is a lot of fun.

Did he give any excuses, or did he say good job?

[9T8W66]

The outcome of this race was clear long before it started.
Even if it was a 4v Cobra the result would have been the same.

[big hammer]

The outcome of this race was clear long before it started.
Even if it was a 4v Cobra the result would have been the same.

yeah the n\a cobras are no hell either--- better then the 2v's though

[99 Kobra]

Seriously, that model/year Mustang GT only had 225hp stock. There are bolt on Civics that can beat it. It's pitiful. Unless these cars have extensive modifications, they are slow as dirt. I remember I was in my friends daily, and Chevy Malibu automatic, and we beat a mid 90s Mustang GT with mods, from a roll.

In my opinion, you shouldn't touch those cars unless your planing on pulling out that shitty motor and replacing it with something that will get the car moving. The chassis isn't terrible though, so it's a good car to build up if you have a motor setup for it.

It only has 225hp, but it has 300 ft. lbs. of torque. You calling the 5.0 a "shitty motor"? I'll be polite and not trash your rice.

[clg82]

Seriously, that model/year Mustang GT only had 225hp stock. There are bolt on Civics that can beat it. It's pitiful. Unless these cars have extensive modifications, they are slow as dirt. I remember I was in my friends daily, and Chevy Malibu automatic, and we beat a mid 90s Mustang GT with mods, from a roll.

In my opinion, you shouldn't touch those cars unless your planing on pulling out that shitty motor and replacing it with something that will get the car moving. The chassis isn't terrible though, so it's a good car to build up if you have a motor setup for it.

A guy I know in town that rebuilds cars for a living at a local speed shop said they had three mustangs in his shop right now getting ls1 swaps....what a total kick in the go-nads!!!

[Superluminal]

It only has 225hp, but it has 300 ft. lbs. of torque. You calling the 5.0 a "shitty motor"? I'll be polite and not trash your rice.

Ummm..... a '98 GT has a 281ci 4.6L, which when you're talking about standard American V8s, is pretty small and weak. They also ran 15s from the factory. It is a shitty motor in every sense. Unless these motors are forced induction or built, it isn't going to go anywhere. I have never seen an impressive Modular 4.6L (sub 1999, non-Cobra) in person.

The 5.0Ls that came in the late 3rd gen, and early 4th gen Mustangs and the new 4.6Ls (1999+) of the 4th/5th gens are a different story.

.....and ummm, my cars are far from rice. Both are completely stock exterior, no fart can, no nothing.... and both have run 10s. If that's rice, then please explain to me the definition of a car that isn't rice.

[stangereater]

I agree the 2valve 4.6 BLOW! The 4v respond real well to mods. Ford really didn't get it together till they put a eaton on that hog! As far as putting a LS1 in a mustang I wouldn't waste my money, I mean their allright motors but theirs easier ways of getting power without haveing to change all that s*it! I'm sure the trannys are different, harness, mounts and the list goes on! So I seriously doubt anyone with any since would do that! That's just retarded!!! SO I'M CALLING BS

[Frost]

I agree the 2valve 4.6 BLOW! The 4v respond real well to mods. Ford really didn't get it together till they put a eaton on that hog! As far as putting a LS1 in a mustang I wouldn't waste my money, I mean their allright motors but theirs easier ways of getting power without haveing to change all that s*it! I'm sure the trannys are different, harness, mounts and the list goes on! So I seriously doubt anyone with any since would do that! That's just retarded!!! SO I'M CALLING BS

There are a TON of LS1-swapped stangs, put the crack pipe down :ahh:
:rotfl:

[Zinergy]

Ummm..... a '98 GT has a 281ci 4.6L, which when you're talking about standard American V8s, is pretty small and weak. They also ran 15s from the factory. It is a shitty motor in every sense. Unless these motors are forced induction or built, it isn't going to go anywhere. I have never seen an impressive Modular 4.6L (sub 1999, non-Cobra) in person.

The 5.0Ls that came in the late 3rd gen, and early 4th gen Mustangs and the new 4.6Ls (1999+) of the 4th/5th gens are a different story.

.....and ummm, my cars are far from rice. Both are completely stock exterior, no fart can, no nothing.... and both have run 10s. If that's rice, then please explain to me the definition of a car that isn't rice.

The 5.0 liter blocks still ahve there flaws. Like the super thin lifter galley which you can almost count on to crack at 500+whp and higher than stock rpms. Atleast the 4.6 block with built internals can take more power. I have friends right now making over 470whp scared to add power mods because they think they will split there 5.0 blocks.

[fox1x]

There are a TON of LS1-swapped stangs, put the crack pipe down

Since you specifically said "TON" ... show me 10

[Zinergy]

Since you specifically said "TON" ... show me 10

no there really are. I have seen probably 5 or so at great lakes alone. And a couple fairmonts too

[Mike0202]

so i have a all stock formula nothing done to it. he has a 98 gt mustang with a bigger throttle body, bigger injectors and manifold. he has been giving me shit about driving a GM for years. so i finally call him out. we do a 30 pull. we are head to head for about 2 seconds then i just slaughter him.

Lol. What a waste of gas/ Just watch out for terminators or you may get terminated ;)

[Zinergy]

Lol. What a waste of gas/ Just watch out for terminators or you may get terminated ;)

Lol there are alot of fast stangs out there that arent termis.

[99 Kobra]

Ummm..... a '98 GT has a 281ci 4.6L, which when you're talking about standard American V8s, is pretty small and weak. They also ran 15s from the factory. It is a shitty motor in every sense. Unless these motors are forced induction or built, it isn't going to go anywhere. I have never seen an impressive Modular 4.6L (sub 1999, non-Cobra) in person.

The 5.0Ls that came in the late 3rd gen, and early 4th gen Mustangs and the new 4.6Ls (1999+) of the 4th/5th gens are a different story.

.....and ummm, my cars are far from rice. Both are completely stock exterior, no fart can, no nothing.... and both have run 10s. If that's rice, then please explain to me the definition of a car that isn't rice.

My bad. The last model year for the 5.0 engine was '95.

[Frost]

Since you specifically said "TON" ... show me 10

I've tuned 3 within the last 2 years (though I am not putting mustang pics up on my site) and the conversion section on ls1tech is chock full of them.

I KNOW that you guys are wrong and was letting you know before you argued about something that you were apparently somehow in the dark on.

Too late.

[stangereater]

There are a TON of LS1-swapped stangs, put the crack pipe down :ahh:
:rotfl:


THATS THE DUMBEST SH*T I HAVE EVER HEARD! I guess some dumb redneck might try it. I don't care thats just the first I have heard. Show me some!!! It don't really seem cost effected to me! But Oh well anything is possible on the internet!:itsok:

[Mike0202]

Lol there are alot of fast stangs out there that arent termis.

nah u take that blower off an fords nothin

[clg82]

THATS THE DUMBEST SH*T I HAVE EVER HEARD! I guess some dumb redneck might try it. I don't care thats just the first I have heard. Show me some!!! It don't really seem cost effected to me! But Oh well anything is possible on the internet!:itsok:

Socal speed in Shafter, CA there are three there right now..........

[Zinergy]

nah u take that blower off an fords nothin

I didnt know you meant stock. Cause i know alot of turbo stangs and 460 built stangs that run 10s all motor. The 5.0/4.6 is nothing without FI i agree, but there are some nasty ford N/A cars out there.

[Zinergy]

THATS THE DUMBEST SH*T I HAVE EVER HEARD! I guess some dumb redneck might try it. I don't care thats just the first I have heard. Show me some!!! It don't really seem cost effected to me! But Oh well anything is possible on the internet!:itsok:

Its not the dumbest thing to do to a fox body. The 5.0 block cant take anymroe than 550-600hp. So if your gonna upgrade why not to something that can handle power and make it.

[Frost]

THATS THE DUMBEST SH*T I HAVE EVER HEARD! I guess some dumb redneck might try it. I don't care thats just the first I have heard. Show me some!!! It don't really seem cost effected to me! But Oh well anything is possible on the internet!:itsok:


Since you specifically said "TON" ... show me 10

More than ten. Suck it. :) http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=ls1%20mustang&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

[stangereater]

nah u take that blower off an fords nothin

I haven't heard that before!:blah: Sounds like some blown fords have put you in your place before!
I wasn't trying to pick a fight but theirs plenty of 5.0 making more than 600. I agree a LS1 is a great motor. But to go through all the headache and money of putting it in a Mustang? Theirs other cost effected ways of putting power down. That's all I'm saying! I did learn something new, didn't know anyone would do that!

[Zinergy]

I haven't heard that before!:blah: Sounds like some blown fords have put you in your place before!
I wasn't trying to pick a fight but theirs plenty of 5.0 making more than 600. I agree a LS1 is a great motor. But to go through all the headache and money of putting it in a Mustang? Theirs other cost effected ways of putting power down. That's all I'm saying! I did learn something new, didn't know anyone would do that!

There are 5.0s with more than 600hp and they should know there engine will split soon. I personally have seen it happen 4 times at the track. Its not a secret that 5.0s crack there, they even sell kits to try and help with this. They were trying to explain it on hp tv a month or two ago.

[Mike0202]

I haven't heard that before!:blah: Sounds like some blown fords have put you in your place before!
I wasn't trying to pick a fight but theirs plenty of 5.0 making more than 600. I agree a LS1 is a great motor. But to go through all the headache and money of putting it in a Mustang? Theirs other cost effected ways of putting power down. That's all I'm saying! I did learn something new, didn't know anyone would do that!

I was being sarcastic..

[99 Kobra]

Socal speed in Shafter, CA there are three there right now..........

Shafter is in the middle of nowhere in the central valley of California. They probably couldn't find a Ford engine!

[99 Kobra]

More than ten. Suck it. :) http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=ls1%20mustang&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Maybe they are doing it because f-bodies are so fuc-ing ugly?

[clg82]

Shafter is in the middle of nowhere in the central valley of California. They probably couldn't find a Ford engine!

Yeh because they're all in the junk yard.........

Maybe they are doing it because f-bodies are so fuc-ing ugly?

This guy can't be serious.......:hifinger::think:

[Firebirdjones]

Here is another one for the naysayers,,,with video and all

http://azfba.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=17044

The video is on page 4 about half way down,,,and there is even a chassis dyno graph of the car further down the page.

Plenty of chevy's in the fox body mustangs though. Why not??? The mustang is a great platform to build from. They are cheap to buy and easy to modify. I see them with chevys all the time at the drag strip. It's not unusual at all.
I'm actually more surprised at all the mustang lovers that were unaware of this.

[clg82]

Naysayers? I get warnings all the time and he doesn't have one for degrading the cars that we ALL love lol ;)

[99 Kobra]

Here is another one for the naysayers,,,with video and all

http://azfba.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=17044

The video is on page 4 about half way down,,,and there is even a chassis dyno graph of the car further down the page.

Plenty of chevy's in the fox body mustangs though. Why not??? The mustang is a great platform to build from. They are cheap to buy and easy to modify. I see them with chevys all the time at the drag strip. It's not unusual at all.
I'm actually more surprised at all the mustang lovers that were unaware of this.

Some of us open track instead of 1/4 mile. But, who cares, American V8's are great.

[fox1x]

It wasn't naysayers; it was that fact that the adjective "TONS" was used... Hardly... Tuning 3 of them in 2 years or 2 in three years is not a lot. Even the link in post 26 from frost doesn't have ten if you actually count them (several repeat pics and by page 2 it's not Stangs anymore).. I'm not saying it isn't/hasn't been done. But I think suggesting that there are TONS of them out there is a load of BS.

[Firebirdjones]

Some of us open track instead of 1/4 mile. But, who cares, American V8's are great.

I grew up around dragstrips so it's more my thing, never did get into the turning stuff, although it sure is fun to watch....But you are right, it's all good.

[Frost]

Maybe they are doing it because f-bodies are so fuc-ing ugly?

Maybe they just need sweet airplane wings like your ride.

[Frost]

It wasn't naysayers; it was that fact that the adjective "TONS" was used... Hardly... Tuning 3 of them in 2 years or 2 in three years is not a lot. Even the link in post 26 from frost doesn't have ten if you actually count them (several repeat pics and by page 2 it's not Stangs anymore).. I'm not saying it isn't/hasn't been done. But I think suggesting that there are TONS of them out there is a load of BS.

I didn't say I TUNED A TON OF THEM, and there are definitely more than 10 pics on the first page alone. You wanted 10, click through the pages. You are wrong. That is all :)

[clg82]

It wasn't naysayers; it was that fact that the adjective "TONS" was used... Hardly... Tuning 3 of them in 2 years or 2 in three years is not a lot. Even the link in post 26 from frost doesn't have ten if you actually count them (several repeat pics and by page 2 it's not Stangs anymore).. I'm not saying it isn't/hasn't been done. But I think suggesting that there are TONS of them out there is a load of BS.

So now we're in grammar school? So what if someone typed "tons".......that is totally irrelevant to the original posting.....

[00z28bubba]

I thought chevy engines in ford were normal. Now one thing I for sure, I've never heard of a ford Motor in a chevy. There might be some but I've never heard of it

[Zinergy]

ls1 in a foxbody is a pretty common thing. Like i said i have seen a hand full at my local track alone. And a chevy engine in general in a stang/ford is super common. Obviously those guys understand the pros out weigh the cons in thsoe engine swaps.

[Firebirdjones]

I thought chevy engines in ford were normal. Now one thing I for sure, I've never heard of a ford Motor in a chevy. There might be some but I've never heard of it

You are right. It's been common since the 50's. Even today, go to any show and you'll see ford street rods of 30's and 40's vintage,,,,and 90% of them all run a chevy drivetrain of some combination.

It's been going on since the V-8 was invented guys. Why would the fox body be any different?? ;)


It makes perfect sense really if you think about it. Not being bias here at all. But you take a automobile platform that is cheap to buy, has a rearend that takes abuse and a suspension that is cheap and easy to hook,,,,,,couple that with for instance a gen 1 sbc. It's been around since 1955,,,over 50 years of parts availability that interchange with one another is key here,,,,one of the cheapest if not THE cheapest V8 you can build from, easy to make power with for little money.

You put the 2 together and you have a cheap hotrod thats fast. And that's what hotrodding is all about.
Building a ford engine I can understand,,,,but they don't have the swapability of a chevy small block, parts don't interchange as easily, and generally are more expensive as well. Hence the reason the small block chevy has always been a popular swap in any vehicle.

On the other hand,,,the LS series engines just haven't had the advantage of being around 50+ years,,,,and they are already showing parts swap problems everytime GM wants to improve something so things don't interchange as easily. They are still expensive due to still being relatively new (only been around 12 years) even though the aftermarket is strong they still aren't as cost effective from a price standpoint.

It's all about what you like and what you can afford.

[fox1x]

So now we're in grammar school? So what if someone typed "tons".......that is totally irrelevant to the original posting....

Yes it is irrelevant to the original posting, I agree with that. That's because it is in response to someone elses irrelevant post to the original topic. And now we're talking about the history of Ford engines in Chevy's and Chevy engines in Fords... how is that relevant to the original post?

These posts always go off topic, but they are usually tastefully done(at least here at ls1.com I think they are) Does this mean we have to stop talking about Chevy engines in Fords or Ford engines in Chevy's?

[Zinergy]

A forum discussion is like any real conversation, most long conversatiosn tend to split off into other littlse subjects that in some way connect but arent directly relevant. Its good for all i think, this is when i tend to learn many new things

And for all those people who just keep poping into a heated yet respectful debate(not this one just debates in general) and say back to topic please, this is for you :hifinger:

[clg82]

A forum discussion is like any real conversation, most long conversatiosn tend to split off into other littlse subjects that in some way connect but arent directly relevant. Its good for all i think, this is when i tend to learn many new things

And for all those people who just keep poping into a heated yet respectful debate(not this one just debates in general) and say back to topic please, this is for you :hifinger:

I think you mean the moderators.....:dodge:

[Zinergy]

I think you mean the moderators.....:dodge:

I dont see mods coming in and say back to topic unless someone is getting out of hand. Thats why i added in heated yet RESPECTFUL

Hopefully the mods dont punish me lol

[clg82]

I dont see mods coming in and say back to topic unless someone is getting out of hand. Thats why i added in heated yet RESPECTFUL

Hopefully the mods dont punish me lol

I know man I was just kidding! NOW BACK ON TOPIC :lmao:

[Firebirdjones]

A forum discussion is like any real conversation, most long conversatiosn tend to split off into other littlse subjects that in some way connect but arent directly relevant. Its good for all i think, this is when i tend to learn many new things

And for all those people who just keep poping into a heated yet respectful debate(not this one just debates in general) and say back to topic please, this is for you :hifinger:

I agree, it's healthy to chit chat, some of it is rather interesting in my opinion.

[Spaz]

I dont see mods coming in and say back to topic unless someone is getting out of hand. Thats why i added in heated yet RESPECTFUL

Hopefully the mods dont punish me lol


:bat::D :lol:

[Spaz]

oh fuck... i killed it... keep posting!!! dont' be sissys... it's not my section to moderate anyway... :lol:

[stangereater]

I agree chevy engines in fords, it cheaper more chevy motors in supply more parts. I have been a chevy guy my whole life, I just don't understand the reason for a swap in a late model stang 85 and newer. You can build a 302 or a 281 to get the same power, and I would think it would be cheaper! I must admit now that I think about it's kinda cool I quess! Personaly I would put a 03/04 cobra motor in one!

[mrr23]

THATS THE DUMBEST SH*T I HAVE EVER HEARD! I guess some dumb redneck might try it. I don't care thats just the first I have heard. Show me some!!! It don't really seem cost effected to me! But Oh well anything is possible on the internet!:itsok:

here you go. right from my own home track. does high 10s. now, you might want to calm down some.

http://centralfloridastreetcars.com/images/lx1.jpg

http://centralfloridastreetcars.com/images/lx11.jpg

http://centralfloridastreetcars.com/images/lx12.jpg

[Spaz]

here you go. right from my own home track. does high 10s. now, you might want to calm down some.

http://centralfloridastreetcars.com/images/lx1.jpg

http://centralfloridastreetcars.com/images/lx11.jpg

http://centralfloridastreetcars.com/images/lx12.jpg


:faint: i hope to never line up next to one of them...

[00z28bubba]

:faint: i hope to never line up next to one of them...

i definitely share your hopes with my bolt on only motor, and all stock suspension lol.

[iwannagofast]

It only has 225hp, but it has 300 ft. lbs. of torque. You calling the 5.0 a "shitty motor"? I'll be polite and not trash your rice.

my roommate has a 1990 fox body, he can get heads/cam/intake for a few grand and be at the same level as our ls1s...he's really playing with the idea of the ls1. it would be a little cheaper than the route he was taking with the 5.0.

you will see chevy motors in mustangs but never ford motors in a fbody

[Firebirdjones]

Alot of my mustang friends and many others on the streets didn't really bother with the little 302's.

When it was just as cost effective to do a 347 stroker kit. Those are the little fox bodies you have to watch out for. There were literally dozens of those things around Cinci. One of the machine shops I frequented always had 4-5 347 builds in process at any given time. They sold like hotcakes.
A well built 347 easily put the little fox body in the 11's on motor only. There were alot of those running around. Had to choose your battles carefully, you just never knew.

[mogs01gt]

so i have a all stock formula nothing done to it. he has a 98 gt mustang with a bigger throttle body, bigger injectors and manifold. he has been giving me shit about driving a GM for years. so i finally call him out. we do a 30 pull. we are head to head for about 2 seconds then i just slaughter him.
Kick him in the nuts for thinking injectors give the engine more power.

[Mike0202]

my roommate has a 1990 fox body, he can get heads/cam/intake for a few grand and be at the same level as our ls1s...he's really playing with the idea of the ls1. it would be a little cheaper than the route he was taking with the 5.0.

you will see chevy motors in mustangs but never ford motors in a fbody

That combo would prob run a stock ls1. But how many ls1's are stock? A cammed ls1 would still eat him up.