05gt.....vs stock lt1

[baconmach]

dont care what trannies....but stock for stock id like to see this race.....:Popcorn: :Popcorn: :Ohno: :Ohno:

[Capster78]

At first I though it was just your age.. But no, you are really retarded.

[baconmach]

2 high 13sec rides....yep.....retarded to even think of it????

[Capster78]

Im prety sure 05 mustangs are mid 13 sec cars even with average drivers.. Some are low 13 sec cars with good drivers.

[mogs01gt]

my money is on the lt1, I cant stand the new stangs and they are over weight pigs.

[oneBADDz]

Right after I sold the '97 M6 (that slightly modded ran pretty much right beside auto LS1s) the guy I sold it to raced one. He was pulling very slightly till he missed third and by the time he got it in gear his front bumper was about at the GTs rear, took all of 3rd and a little 4th to get back beside it. The GT was an auto. I wouldn't count the GTs out, and I for one think they look good too. Stock for stock would definitly be a race to watch

[Camaro Fan]

Yeah I think it would be an interesting race, stock vs stock I'd bet on the 05 GT judging from times and dynos I've seen.

I've got a bolt-on LT1 (A4 w/ 3.23s, shorty headers, CAI, catback) but I haven't yet had a run in w/ a stockish GT. I'm hoping I can take one as it is now.

[mogs01gt]

Yeah I think it would be an interesting race, stock vs stock I'd bet on the 05 GT judging from times and dynos I've seen.

I've got a bolt-on LT1 (A4 w/ 3.23s, shorty headers, CAI, catback) but I haven't yet had a run in w/ a stockish GT. I'm hoping I can take one as it is now.
my buddy had the same mods but no headers but pullies. I pulled him by 2 cars in my X piped+ shifter 01 GT. He was a Vert though.

[mrr23]

here in florida, when the 05s finally hit the local track, i was seeing 14.2 -14.4 completely stock. one guy came back with a catback and filter and broke into the 13s. when i had my 94 z28 w/2.73 gears years ago, i hit 13.98 completely stock with consistent 14.0x all night. so, it would be a real close race. would depend on who got the jump first.

[baconmach]

my buds got his 97ss near stock...if i see one ill have to try to take one down....i figured id be damn close if not a win the lt1 up top....

seems like the new 05s are barly quicker if at all then the older 99-04 gt's

14.1-.2 is what i used to see the near stock 2v's doen

[mogs01gt]

my buds got his 97ss near stock...if i see one ill have to try to take one down....i figured id be damn close if not a win the lt1 up top....
seems like the new 05s are barly quicker if at all then the older 99-04 gt's
14.1-.2 is what i used to see the near stock 2v's doen
They arent that quick mainly because of their weight and the fact their ECUs control the throttle from going WOT. A tune does wonders on these cars. Its like they have a blower slapped on them.

[toneloc60]

I'd like to see that race too. I'm really curious to see if an '05 or newer Ford can take a Chevy that was made for the same market in '93.

[mogs01gt]

I'd like to see that race too. I'm really curious to see if an '05 or newer Ford can take a Chevy that was made for the same market in '93.
stock for stock? Never seen a stock cambird lt1 run a good time at the track. If it was a 99-04gt, my money would be on the GT.

[DarthD]

It looks like Mustang dynos about 10 hp more to the wheels than a Z28 LT1. I don't have enough info on the SS version of the LT1 but I would guess that it puts down about 10hp more than the Mustang.

The average LT1 Camaro T56 runs about a 14.29 @ 98.42 mph stock.(0-60 5.77)
The average LT1 Camaro SS T56 runs about a 13.82 @ 102.99 mph. (0-60 5.47)

The average '05 Mustang GT T5 runs 13.96 @ 102.37 stock. (0-60 5.36)

stock for stock? Never seen a stock cambird lt1 run a good time at the track. If it was a 99-04gt, my money would be on the GT.

The 99-04 gt T5 runs about 14.27 @ 98.83 stock. (5.8 0-60) And puts about 20hp less to the ground than a Z28 LT1.


Times are taken from the averages of many road tests that I have in a VERY large Excel spreadsheet. Dyno numbers are from a large collection of stock dyno tests that I have in another large Excel spreadsheet.

I honestly do not have a large enough sample of LT1 dynos yet, but this is probably pretty close. So far, I show the average LT1 T56 dynoing about 253hp to the wheels in 1996.

Edited to correct name for quoted person. Some people sure get pissed of for the lamest reasons.

[mogs01gt]

If you quote me, dont try to be cute and change my name to some lame ass joke.

The problem with a lot of the lt1 is they are aging and arent well kept. The ones that are and low mileage usually run well.

[oneBADDz]

Me and mogs havn't agreed on anything in any thread yet lol, but JungleJim? damn kids (darth) grow up and play nice

[baconmach]

were tryn to put that into perspective...say like my buds 40k 97ss......to be honest though......my last lt1 expeiriance.....120k auto formula ran consistant 14.1s@98 w/ only pully catback and air filter...(373s or 410s would put a hurtn on and 05gts pride....).....and it def had a hard life......id really go good upwards of 120 thats when it startn beatn down the 2v's ....so beat or not if they run haha itll be a good run.....05gt are toilets...if a 100k formula stayed within 2 to 3 cars which id def would.....id be imbarrest to own and 05 gt with over 10 years more technology...

ford did crazy things in 2003!!! i love em......mach , blown cobra and the lightning....even (though still the same sence 01)...great rides......then they bring out an obease toilet....in 05 that cant beat the 260hp versions that came before them....

I HATE THE NEW STANGS....AND THE NEW CAMARO LOOKS LIKE A$$ AS WELL...DODGE IS THE ONE THATS COOK'N (UNFORTUNATLY)CHECK THE NEW CHALLENGER OUT!

[s197]

id be imbarrest to own and 05 gt with over 10 years more technology...



I'm sorry, I'm embarrassed for your spelling

[toneloc60]

Bacon, you and I finally agree.:)

[Mike's02Z28M6]

Im prety sure 05 mustangs are mid 13 sec cars even with average drivers.. Some are low 13 sec cars with good drivers.

I've ran a couple 05 GT's and I would say the LT1's I've raced put up a better fight. The 05 sure is better then the last gen 'stangs but no way in hell are they averaging mid 13 second runs...or I'll eat crow. High 13's is what I'm betting you'll see most stock ones run. my 2 cents

[DarthD]

I don't know how that happened. I did not intend to use a different name, I did not notice it when I posted. Damn, maybe you should ask nicely what happened instead of slamming me. There was no intent to do so to you. I corrected the name. :(

[Capster78]

I've ran a couple 05 GT's and I would say the LT1's I've raced put up a better fight. The 05 sure is better then the last gen 'stangs but no way in hell are they averaging mid 13 second runs...or I'll eat crow. High 13's is what I'm betting you'll see most stock ones run. my 2 cents

They were probably not stock. I just went over to stangnet and found a few people running mid 13's on street tires in 05's. One in particular ran a 13.6 @ 104 with a 2.2 60ft. I have never seen a completly stock lt1 run a mid 13 before. And if it came close it was on drag radials with a 2.0 or better 60ft. If you took the 60ft on the stang and droped it to a 2.0 youd be running a 13.3 @ 104 which is about right. My guestimation would be high 13's (13.9-13.7) in an lt1 with the same 60ft.

[DarthD]

I have not seen an LT1 run mid 13's either, but I have not seen a stock Mustang run quicker than low 14's except for one Mach I with an insane driver. He pulled a 13.6 while three other Mach I's could not get out of the 14's and one of them had an aftermarket air intake system.

Also the Mach I is a little quicker than a 2005 GT. It has a little more power and less weight.

[mogs01gt]

I have not seen an LT1 run mid 13's either, but I have not seen a stock Mustang run quicker than low 14's except for one Mach I with an insane driver. He pulled a 13.6 while three other Mach I's could not get out of the 14's and one of them had an aftermarket air intake system.

Also the Mach I is a little quicker than a 2005 GT. It has a little more power and less weight.
That is a load of BS right there. Either A. you are full of shit and dont except that mustangs can run what they do B. You do not pay attention to all of the stangs at the track.

The mach1 are easy low-mid 13 second cars, STICK ONLY, and pull 05 stangs and most older mustangs. The mach1's are easily second to the 03-04 Cobras.

I have seen stock lt1s running high 13s but never mid.

[baconmach]

im not touchn that comment with a 10ft pole hahah....but....i agree with some people in sayn you cant count the 05 out.......but....if you know how to drive and dont f*ck up...its all over..........an 05 v6 could almost take ya if u just sit there roastn them or miss a few gears haha.......

[DarthD]

mogs01gt,
What is with your attitude? I have not given you any reason for you to respond the way you have.

All tracks are different. Cars run different at different tracks. People drive their cars differently. You need to realize that a lot of people will claim car is stock when it is not. I frequent two different tracks in Texas. I have NEVER seen a completely stock GT run quicker than 14.0. Does this mean they can't run quicker? No. Does this mean that I am a biased piece of crap? No. This is what I have seen, Period. I have seen Mustang GT's run 13's but they had mods. Just for reference, My stock WS6 6 speed ran a best of 13.7 at 105.5 mph. Off idle launch, engine bog, and granny shifting. I could have power shifted and ran a little quicker and perfected my launch for an even better ET, but I do not want to beat on my car. The MPH shows what the car is capable of. I ran plenty of low 14's with spinning tires also.

The guy with the Mach I, that ran a 13.6, was a 20 year old kid that did not care if he broke the car. It was getting repossessed because he could not make the payments. He drove the hell out of it. The other three Mach I's there that night that ran 14's were owned by older men who care about their cars and drive more conservatively, like me.

I work with a guy with a stock Mach I. We raced from about a 20 punch. They are quick but I still pulled away.

I have seen plenty of stock 99-04 GTs at the track. None of them ran quicker than 14.0. I have not seen any 05s run yet. I know that there are magazine tests that show them in the 13s. I know they have the power to run 13s. That does not mean the average driver will be able to pull it off at an average track. The Mach I has a better power to weight ratio that the new GT so it should still be a little quicker.

I did test drive a new GT 5 speed about three hours ago. Very nice car. I love the exhaust note. The power, at least low and midrange still does not compare to an LS1. Not even close. I did not take it over 5000 rpms though.


mogs01gt,
If the Mach I's where you are EASILY run low 13's STOCK and I mean ALL STOCK, then you must live by one really nice track and the owners of those cars must be professional drivers or at least LOT better drivers that anyone around my area.

The best STOCK LS1 I have seen ran 13.3. It was a 98 Camaro that was all stock except for ET Streets, so it was not totally stock. The driver, a friend of mine, was a little guy about 120 lbs. He launched at 6000 rpms multiple times, and power shifted every run. The car would hook, bog, then go. He is lucky that rear held up.

mogs01gt,
I want you to know, I am not trying to be disrespectful to you in any way. If you took anything I said in a hostile way, I apologize. It was not meant to come across that way. I just wanted to add what I have seen to this post.

Your conclusions are incorrect -
"That is a load of BS right there. Either A. you are full of shit and
dont except that mustangs can run what they do "

I am not full of shit. I do accept that Mustangs can run what they do. Around here, that is low 14's with no mods.

"B. You do not pay
attention to all of the stangs at the track."

I do pay attention to the stangs at the track. I pay attention to all of the cars that I like. Yes, I do like the Mustang.

[mogs01gt]

You said stock mustang man, that is everything from a 4 banger to a 428. It sounded like you were lumping them all into one catagory, Mustang. That is what I thought you meant.

[TransAm45]

I HATE THE NEW STANGS....AND THE NEW CAMARO LOOKS LIKE A$$ AS WELL...DODGE IS THE ONE THATS COOK'N (UNFORTUNATLY)CHECK THE NEW CHALLENGER OUT!

Im with you on the Challengers... they are nice. But how are you gonna trash on the new Camaro :slap: . I think they are bad ass.. especially if they put the LS7 in them like I heard. Even if they dont they are still a damn nice car.

http://www.carphotoalbums.com/photos/data/613/110309phr-5camaro05_z-med.jpg

[oneBADDz]

Im with you on the Challengers... they are nice. But how are you gonna trash on the new Camaro :slap: . I think they are bad ass.. especially if they put the LS7 in them like I heard. Even if they dont they are still a damn nice car.

http://www.carphotoalbums.com/photos/data/613/110309phr-5camaro05_z-med.jpg
that pic is from 2002, it was the "supposed" 2005 camaro. . .

[TransAm45]

that pic is from 2002, it was the "supposed" 2005 camaro. . .

I know it's from 2002.. but from what I heard that is the one they were going to go with. Is that not true anymore?? I read a whole article on how a 19 year old kid made it on photoshop... and he knew someone from high up in GM and they had the designers take a look at it. It seemed pretty legit to me. Ill see if I can find the article.

[DarthD]

You said stock mustang man, that is everything from a 4 banger to a 428. It sounded like you were lumping them all into one catagory, Mustang. That is what I thought you meant.


I don't understand. The thread was stock 05 GT vs Stock LT1. I believe almost everytime I wrote the word Mustang, I had GT behind it. It seemed obvious to me that all cars talked about in this thread are modern V8 cars. I saw no reference to 60's or 70's cars.

[DarthD]

TransAm45,
Here is a link to a pic of the new concept Camaro.
http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/

If you search the web there a lot of photos of the car out there.


I think the car has promise. A little tweaking to the nose and tail lights should make the look awesome, although I don't know if they can top the Challenger. That car is perfect as is. I would not change anything.

[LS1 Eddie]

I raced an 05 GT 6 speed from about 20mph and I ran him down pretty well. :D

[mogs01gt]

I don't understand. The thread was stock 05 GT vs Stock LT1. I believe almost everytime I wrote the word Mustang, I had GT behind it. It seemed obvious to me that all cars talked about in this thread are modern V8 cars. I saw no reference to 60's or 70's cars.
read what I quoted. "MUSTANG" :slap:

I dont read minds, I used what you typed.

[DarthD]

It has nothing to do with reading minds. All you need to do is read through the thread. Everything in this thread is centered on modern V8 cars. Even if it was not clear which year cars are being discussed, (which it is) I stand by what I said. I have never seen a stock Ford Mustang, and I mean any year or engine, run quicker than a 14.0.
However, I have not seen a stock Ford Mustang with a 428 run down the track and I doubt many other people here, if any, have either. Also, I have not seen an 03+ Ford Mustang Cobra run, however my Mustang fanatic buddy says he has seen one that was running low 13's. Yes, yes, I know, all 03+ stock Ford Mustang Cobras run 12's. I don't need a flame here either. This is just what he has seen.

My responses are aimed at the title of the thread, as they should be.
"Stock [B]'05 GT vs Stock LT1." Just because, I left out two letters (GT) ONE time, I get flamed, even though it makes no difference if I clarified 2005 Ford Mustang GT or not.

I just just don't understand the attitude. I see so many people on message boards with ridiculous attitudes. Someone types their opinion about something or types what they have experienced and someone else has to be an ass for no reason. Most of us come here to learn things, or share our experiences, or knowledge with others. I don't think anyone wants to be put down for no reason. People do not act like this when talking face to face. I guess it is just too easy to hide behind a keyboard. You know nothing about the person you are talking to and they know nothing about you, so the assumption is the other person is a moron.


(I edited this to make sure it was clear which cars I was talking about)

[mogs01gt]

because you are going off what you have "SEEN" or lack there of; and you are stating it as fact or making it out to be true. Your opinions and very small experience with racing proves you have no idea what you are talking about. You said a INSANE driver made a mach1(newer one I assume) go mid 13s, anyone can get a mach1 to run mid 13s. An "insane" driver would be in the low 13s.

Like I said, Im not a mind reader. Im not going to assume what you mean with your vague statements. I will leave that up for the Internet kiddies.

[DarthD]

I was going to respond to this in a different way, but I decided to look at some of your posts on this board and I'm glad I did. I now see the kind of individual you are. You have a pretty smart mouth and you are not willing to admit when you are wrong. There was a guy here a long time ago, I can't remember his name, but he was so bad that they made a seperate section just for him. It was magazine racing or something like like. You remind me of that guy. Based on your responses to other people's posts on other threads, you seem to enjoy pissing people off and cutting them down to try to make yourself feel intelligent or something.

I know, know, there is no point in debating anything with someone with your mentality. It is perfectly clear that you are going to continue on and on no matter what.

what the hell, I just have to respond to your silly statements. I can't help myself. You are beginning to amuse me.

Yes, I am going of what I have seen. Only an idiot would argue something that they have not personally seen. I guess you don't think that way. If you want to believe that stock 05 Mustang GTs are easy 13 second cars because you have read it on the internet or in a magazine, then go ahead, think what you want. Also, I have not given you my opinion on anything. I have only stated what I have seen. That is not an opinion.

As far as my "small" experience with racing goes, I was racing cars when you were still playing with hot wheels, so what does that say about your racing experience? This is exactly what I meant about hiding behind a keyboard. You know NOTHING about me or my past yet you have somehow come to the conclusion that I am an idiot.
And you are wrong. Anyone cannot get a STOCK Mach I into the 13's. Damn, do you ever go to a racetrack and actually talk with some of the other drivers, or do you just assume that a car is stock because it ran what you think a stock car should run? You really should think twice before believing people that claim to be factory stock. Nine out of ten "stock" cars out there will have mods.

Also, I made no vague statements and you know it. Just admit when you are wrong. Maybe if you go back to the beginning of the thread and read it again you will see that you are coming across as a complete ass. No, I'm not calling you an ass (I need to make that clear so it not too vague) but your comments are making you sound like one. For all I know, you are a great guy and if we met in person instead of this forum we would get along great. Hell, I get along with everyone.

[mogs01gt]

actually it sounds like you are referring to yourself. I will correct myself, anyone should be able to get a manual newer mach1 into the mid 13s.

The person you are remembering is Bob or Bobbles as we like to call him. I dont remember his S/N but it had z28 in it. He was the magazine racing king.

[DarthD]

actually it sounds like you are referring to yourself..:lol:

I will correct myself, anyone should be able to get a manual newer mach1 into the mid 13s.:nono:

The person you are remembing is Bob or Bobbles as we like to call him. I dont remember his S/N but it had z28 in it. He was the magazine racing king OK, now I remember people calling him Bobbles. I think his screen name was 99z28 or something closr to that. I wonder what happened to him after he was banned? I would have figured he would have come back under another name.:thinkin:

[mogs01gt]

Went to ls2.com and started up his same crap. Evyl banned him real fast.

[Capster78]

I was going to respond to this in a different way, but I decided to look at some of your posts on this board and I'm glad I did. I now see the kind of individual you are. You have a pretty smart mouth and you are not willing to admit when you are wrong. There was a guy here a long time ago, I can't remember his name, but he was so bad that they made a seperate section just for him. It was magazine racing or something like like. You remind me of that guy. Based on your responses to other people's posts on other threads, you seem to enjoy pissing people off and cutting them down to try to make yourself feel intelligent or something.

I know, know, there is no point in debating anything with someone with your mentality. It is perfectly clear that you are going to continue on and on no matter what.

what the hell, I just have to respond to your silly statements. I can't help myself. You are beginning to amuse me.

Yes, I am going of what I have seen. Only an idiot would argue something that they have not personally seen. I guess you don't think that way. If you want to believe that stock 05 Mustang GTs are easy 13 second cars because you have read it on the internet or in a magazine, then go ahead, think what you want. Also, I have not given you my opinion on anything. I have only stated what I have seen. That is not an opinion.

As far as my "small" experience with racing goes, I was racing cars when you were still playing with hot wheels, so what does that say about your racing experience? This is exactly what I meant about hiding behind a keyboard. You know NOTHING about me or my past yet you have somehow come to the conclusion that I am an idiot.
And you are wrong. Anyone cannot get a STOCK Mach I into the 13's. Damn, do you ever go to a racetrack and actually talk with some of the other drivers, or do you just assume that a car is stock because it ran what you think a stock car should run? You really should think twice before believing people that claim to be factory stock. Nine out of ten "stock" cars out there will have mods.

Also, I made no vague statements and you know it. Just admit when you are wrong. Maybe if you go back to the beginning of the thread and read it again you will see that you are coming across as a complete ass. No, I'm not calling you an ass (I need to make that clear so it not too vague) but your comments are making you sound like one. For all I know, you are a great guy and if we met in person instead of this forum we would get along great. Hell, I get along with everyone.

Go to a Mustang Websight and ask what a stock 05 GT will run with a good driver and youll get mid-low 13's. Id bet my paycheck on it.

[DarthD]

I have no doubt they will. And your point is?

Ask people here what a stock LS1 runs and most will also say mid-low 13's.

[Capster78]

thats because that is what they run.. My 99 ran a 13.64 bone stock on street tires and it was an auto.

[DarthD]

That's great. I ran a 13.71 all stock. I also ran 13.8s - 14.2s in the same car.
What are you trying to argue? I made a statement that I have not seen a stock Mustang run quicker that a 14.0. What is so wrong with that???? It is a factual statement. Would it have been better if I lied? I could have said I see stock Mustangs run low 13's all the time, but that would be a lie and mogs01gt probably would have slamed me for that also since he says the new GTs are not that quick. Or maybe he would have had some other reason. Look through some of his past posts. He is constanly talking shit to people for no reason.

And what's with this response from you?
At first I though it was just your age.. But no, you are really retarded.
The guy just said he would like to see a race. This makes him retarded?

Why have people become so mouthy around here?

mogs01gt seems to have a problem with anyone that does not agree with his logic. His opinion is anyone can take a stock Mach I and run easy mid 13's however he has stated in another thread that there are a lot of 14 sec LS1s out there. He can't believe that there are alot of 14 sec Mach I Mustangs. That is his opinion.
Honestly, I think he just likes to start crap with people.

He says I made vague statements about which cars I was talking about,(not true) although his own statements no more clear than mine.

stock for stock? Never seen a stock cambird lt1 run a good time at the track. If it was a 99-04gt, my money would be on the GT.

OK first this is what he has seen. Did I say he was full oif shit? No. Why did he have to slam me for what I have seen?
Next, which year LT1 is he talking about? He was responding to a guy asking about 93+ LT1's but he was not clear if that is what he was posting about. There were LT1s in the early 70's also. Did I slam him for being too vague like he did to me? No, because I have common sense. It is obvious he is talking about the modern LT1.

ALL TRACKS ARE DIFFERENT. What do you think an LS1 or Mach I will run at 5,000 ft elevation? Easy 13's? Think again.

[mrr23]

this one's pretty much ran it's course.