Car is getting cam put in this weekend!!!

[Hurley711]

Fuck I can;t wait to get it back....gettign anxious TR224/224 .563 .563 114 LSA.......car id my daily driver didn't want ot go real real big, heard this is a great cam

[Hurley711]

Forgot, also getting LS6 manifold put on, new timing chain and oil pump and the throttle body is being ported...along with a tune, hasn't had one yet. hoping for 380-395@ the wheels

[Mr. Luos]

You are going to LOVE it!!!!

[nhraformula]

Forgot, also getting LS6 manifold put on, new timing chain and oil pump and the throttle body is being ported...along with a tune, hasn't had one yet. hoping for 380-395@ the wheels


380-395 is realistic numbers.
my auto which has a stock t/b put down 379 threw the stall.
dont worry much about hp numbers, those are for bragging.
take it to a track just for fun and see what it will do.

[Hurley711]

Mark--I finally will get my ass in gear this spring and get over to Atco. I promise. Tuner is going to leave it a little rich, he prefers to play it on the safe side instead of squeezing out a few extra hp and risking the car going lean. I told him do whatever as long as she runs strong

[nhraformula]

Mark--I finally will get my ass in gear this spring and get over to Atco. I promise. Tuner is going to leave it a little rich, he prefers to play it on the safe side instead of squeezing out a few extra hp and risking the car going lean. I told him do whatever as long as she runs strong


being that you have a ram air (riced out formula:lol: )
try to have him get max h.p out of it:drivin:

[Hurley711]

being that you have a ram air (riced out formula:lol: )
try to have him get max h.p out of it:drivin:



Boy this coming from the guy posted a few months back that he wished he had a ram air hood:lol:

[Mr. Luos]

What is this ram air hood thingy?? :dunno:

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

Fuck I can;t wait to get it back....gettign anxious TR224/224 .563 .563 114 LSA.......car id my daily driver didn't want ot go real real big, heard this is a great cam
lucky basturd...hopefully you're puttin on all the fixins too...rods, springs, retainers.

What are they charging you for the install?

[nhraformula]

What is this ram air hood thingy?? :dunno:
just a joke we have going

[Mr. Luos]

just a joke we have going
Nothing like the WS.6 hood thingy? :Ohno:

[Hurley711]

lucky basturd...hopefully you're puttin on all the fixins too...rods, springs, retainers.

What are they charging you for the install?


Hardened PR, COmp 918 springs, titanium retainers, all new gaskets, LS2 timing chain & LS6 oil pump.

He is charging $400 for the cam, accessories & LS6 manifold install.
$250 for the LS1 edit and tune on dyno.
$50 for ported TB.

[Sarge]

Sweet Hurley...you will shit yourself...let her loosen up a little before you ram your right foot through the firewall:) GAME ON!!

[nhraformula]

Hardened PR, COmp 918 springs, titanium retainers, all new gaskets, LS2 timing chain & LS6 oil pump.

He is charging $400 for the cam, accessories & LS6 manifold install.
$250 for the LS1 edit and tune on dyno.
$50 for ported TB.
everything as you listed above cost me about 1300 installed and tuned.

[Hurley711]

Sarge--good point you nake there, is there a break in period for the cam? Or can you lay right into that baby?

[Mr. Luos]

The valvesprings need heat cycled a couple times.
Cam itself doesn't need broken in.

Make sure the oil is pretty warm before stepping on it as well.

[RainMan]

I would lay off for a few days of driving, let it all get broken in, then change your oil/filter to get the assy lube and any possible break-in metal shavings out. Slap one of those wrap-around oil filter magnets on to trap the heavy metals so it doesn't cycle through the engine. After that have fun.

Put an extra clean pair of undies in the console, for when you shit yourself like Sarge said! :Potty:

[Mr. Luos]

Wow. That is going overboard.
Already had my completely new motor to 5600 RPM's. Has maybe 45 minutes of run time.

Cam install....heat cycle the valvesprings twice. Warm up, let cool down. Then warm it up and ROMP on it!!!

[RainMan]

Maybe so, but it won't hurt anything to be patient and ensure all the parts are working well before thrashing on it, just a little added insurance.

But that's just my opinion, just hate to see someone throw good money away because of a little impatience.

[NeeD4SpeeD]

Maybe so, but it won't hurt anything to be patient and ensure all the parts are working well before thrashing on it, just a little added insurance.

But that's just my opinion, just hate to see someone throw good money away because of a little impatience.
:werd: be smart about it... Remember you waited this long to save your money, to do research and to pay for the install so another day or two wont kill you to ensure you dont throw it all down the drain!

[Mr. Luos]

True.
Everyone has their own way of breaking something in.
Technically there is no break in time needed...other than a heat cycle.
If you want to be safe...be easy on it. Good luck with that though. :burnout:

[Hurley711]

I would lay off for a few days of driving, let it all get broken in, then change your oil/filter to get the assy lube and any possible break-in metal shavings out. Slap one of those wrap-around oil filter magnets on to trap the heavy metals so it doesn't cycle through the engine. After that have fun.

Put an extra clean pair of undies in the console, for when you shit yourself like Sarge said! :Potty:


Good point forgot to mention that...I got new undies J/K

Point I was referring to is part of the $400 labor is after everything is done he empties the oil and fills it up with Mobil 1, that's part of the deal. :yup:

[Street Lethal]

Fuck I can;t wait to get it back....gettign anxious TR224/224 .563 .563 114 LSA...

Hurley, any particular reason you went with the 114 over the 112? I'm curious, as I too am heavily leaning more toward the TR224/224 , over the FM11 for my daily driver... but the 224's LSA is 112 though.

By the way, congrats!!! :D

[Hurley711]

Hurley, any particular reason you went with the 114 over the 112? I'm curious, as I too am heavily leaning more toward the TR224/224 , over the FM11 for my daily driver... but the 224's LSA is 112 though.

By the way, congrats!!! :D


Actually have a used 112 sitting right here if you want it. I am in Philly, I can meet you halfway. TR224 .563 112 LSA. I decided to go new after much confusion with a member of another site, only went with the 114 because TR had the 112 on back order, so I couldn't get one for awhile. Not going to make a worlds of diff, but M6 cars like the 112 better, power comes in a few hundred RPMs quicker, and it peaks a few more hp. First choice was a 112.

[Hurley711]

Hurley, any particular reason you went with the 114 over the 112? I'm curious, as I too am heavily leaning more toward the TR224/224 , over the FM11 for my daily driver... but the 224's LSA is 112 though.

By the way, congrats!!! :D


Futral can be a PITA to deal with. Also TR 224 is a proven street cam, plenty of guys have had success with it you really can't go wrong with it. One other thing is from what I've read/heard/seen on dyno sheets the TR224 OWNS the F11 with under teh curve power, but it does lose out only at peak hp at high up RPMs...so you have to decide where you drive at? In what powerband?

[nhraformula]

Sarge--good point you nake there, is there a break in period for the cam? Or can you lay right into that baby?
it will be heat cycled on the dyno when they flog youre car.
i was there when they were tuning my car.
it almost made me sick when i heard them make that car scream to 6500prm, lol.
not only did they do it once, but about a dozen times:shots:

[nhraformula]

Maybe so, but it won't hurt anything to be patient and ensure all the parts are working well before thrashing on it, just a little added insurance.

But that's just my opinion, just hate to see someone throw good money away because of a little impatience.


watch a tuner tune a car on the dyno. they basicly beat on the motor so they can get the tune correct for whatever set up that car has.
its broken in on the dyno.

[nhraformula]

:werd: be smart about it... Remember you waited this long to save your money, to do research and to pay for the install so another day or two wont kill you to ensure you dont throw it all down the drain!
read my post above.

[nhraformula]

Not going to make a worlds of diff, but M6 cars like the 112 better, power comes in a few hundred RPMs quicker, and it peaks a few more hp. First choice was a 112.

is the cam you ordered, straight up, advanced or retarded??
that will help decide where and what powerband the cam will or wont kick in.

[Hurley711]

I just ordered a regular old TR224 .563 114, that's all I asked for. Guess that's straight up then?

[Hurley711]

1 more day, pick her up tomorrow night...:) :yup:

[hammertime]

Guys, you may be forgetting there really isn't a break-in for hydraulic roller cams.

When you break in a flat tappet cam, you are supposed to really coat the lobes and lifter faces with assy lube, then vary the rpms in a range from 1500 to 3000 or so for 15-20 minutes to get good oil circulation in the crank case. You'll generate a slight amount of metal, but thats a non issue in an LS1.

Heat cycles for the springs = good advice.

EDIT - didn't see that there was a second page, good luck to you Hurley - Enjoy!

[Hurley711]

Thanks!! I'm excited, did plenty of research on this cam, and time and time again it came back to the good ole TR224. Others peaked more hp, but I don't track race, and rarely drive above 5000 RPMs and teh TR224 seemed to own other cams with the under the curve powerband.

[ss~zoso~ss]

where is this shop you are having this done, it seems like a really good price

[Hurley711]

15 mins outside of Phila., small shop, 1500 sq ft or so, guys just starting out, but trust me, HE KNOWS HIS SHIT

[Hurley711]

Race Proven Motorsports....Claymont DE, just off I-95 near PA/DE

Name is Fran.... 1-302-798-4000

[ss~zoso~ss]

can you ask him how much he'd charge to put on headers when you pick up your car

[nhraformula]

Thanks!! I'm excited, did plenty of research on this cam, and time and time again it came back to the good ole TR224. Others peaked more hp, but I don't track race, and rarely drive above 5000 RPMs and teh TR224 seemed to own other cams with the under the curve powerband.
when you come to chicago this year, bring the rice air, opps ram air:lol:

[Hurley711]

when you come to chicago this year, bring the rice air, opps ram air:lol:


Oh boy this coming from the pollock with the ricer "Badges" all over his car:Ohno: Oh I forgot! It's a NHRA!!!! Badges are cool now!!:lol:

[Frans96ss]

Race Proven Motorsports....Claymont DE, just off I-95 near PA/DE

Name is Fran...1-610-209-0903



u can call me at 1-302-798-4000.....thats my cell number rich.....and i charge 350 for headers.... if u buy them from me ill cut u a better deal......

[socialdbob]

hey what exactly are you getting for your car.... I assume you are from jersey cause you were talking about atco.. I'm from pa and it sounds like you got a sweet set up...wouldn't mind getting the same stuff done to my car... whats the name of the shop... 1300 isn't a bad price

[socialdbob]

ok i wish i read the second page of replies before i posted that... but anyway I'm definetly gonna look into that shop

[nhraformula]

Oh boy this coming from the pollock with the ricer "Badges" all over his car:Ohno: Oh I forgot! It's a NHRA!!!! Badges are cool now!!:lol:


but my ricer badges are faster than youre stickers:lol: :drivin:

[ss~zoso~ss]

yea that shop sounds real nice, its located at 950 ridge rd, claymont de, if you want to map quest it, the zip is 19703

turns out it is about 4.5 hours from my house, imight just have to visit them in the spring.

[Hurley711]

Race Proven Motorsports ask for Fran....good guy knows his LS1 shit located in DE right over PA state line right off of I-95 1-302-798-4000

[lee1rbc]

Thats the exact cam I am hoping to get. I think you just can't do better with stock heads. :drool:

[Street Lethal]

Hurley, did you get the car back from the shop yet? :D

[Hurley711]

Tues night, got held up at work and had some shit I had to straighten out, Tues night for sure

[nhraformula]

Thats the exact cam I am hoping to get. I think you just can't do better with stock heads. :drool:
yes you can, it just depends where you want the power.
the 224, which i also have is a great DD cam. you have power threwout the whole powerband.
i personally wish i had a bigger stall because i would of got a 228/228 cam.
that cam is a mid to upper range cam which would be fine with me because my car stalls up as is to 3100 rpm.
i could really take advantage of a mid-upper range cam with a 3500 stall.

[socialdbob]

let me know how getting all this done affects your gas milage

[Street Lethal]

Tues night for sure

The anticipation is killing me... did you pick up the car yet? ;)

[Frans96ss]

The anticipation is killing me... did you pick up the car yet? ;)



haha yes he picked it up im sure he will post soon......

[ss~zoso~ss]

nice, cant wait to hear about it

[Street Lethal]

haha yes he picked it up im sure he will post soon......

How far off was the electronic spark control and fuel map when you re-programmed the computer (in comparison to the stock cam). I would imagine that the cam's 114-LSA made it a breeze to tune. Was fuel pressure bumped, or was the stock setting adequate? Details, details please..... :D

[Hurley711]

Ok guys, been hell around here this week sorry it took so long. Here is the initial feedback, Fran did a GREAT job & I am picky as shit, and since the car is my DD I begged him for it back ASAP, fully tuned or not. So Fran tuned it up good enough for me to drive it to and from work for the past few days and it is doing fine. Tomorrow I take it back down to DE so we can put it up on the dyno to check the A/F and all that good stuff and adjust the tune from there. So by tomorrow we'll have some power numbers and a final tune. I got on it a few times real good and it def pulls a hell of alot harder from 2500-2800 on up to 6000 RPMs, I mean I was amazed how fast 100 mph came up the first time I got on it. I will post back tomorrow after Fran adjusts everything for good.

[Frans96ss]

Ok guys, been hell around here this week sorry it took so long. Here is the initial feedback, Fran did a GREAT job & I am picky as shit, and since the car is my DD I begged him for it back ASAP, fully tuned or not. So Fran tuned it up good enough for me to drive it to and from work for the past few days and it is doing fine. Tomorrow I take it back down to DE so we can put it up on the dyno to check the A/F and all that good stuff and adjust the tune from there. So by tomorrow we'll have some power numbers and a final tune. I got on it a few times real good and it def pulls a hell of alot harder from 2500-2800 on up to 6000 RPMs, I mean I was amazed how fast 100 mph came up the first time I got on it. I will post back tomorrow after Fran adjusts everything for good.




next time take it to about 6500.....:drivin:

[nhraformula]

next time take it to about 6500.....:drivin:
agreed. my shift points are set to 6500

[Hurley711]

Ok guys just got back from the dyno with Fran. A/F was good, 13.1-13.0, and on a Mustang Dyno the car put down 399 Hp & 397 Tq on the first run, 2nd run it hit 411 Hp & 406 Tq. 2nd run was on a diff dyno program so we are throwing that one out the window because even though it looks nice we all know that with a TR224 cam the car isn't going to hit that high. The 399 & 397 seem a little high too, given that it's a Mustang dyno, and the numbers were corrected. My concern was the A/F and that came up fine so I am happy:drivin:

[Street Lethal]

Ok guys just got back from the dyno with Fran. A/F was good, 13.1-13.0, and on a Mustang Dyno the car put down 399 Hp & 397 Tq on the first run.

Congrat's man! :D

2nd run it hit 411 Hp & 406 Tq. 2nd run was on a diff dyno program so we are throwing that one out the window because even though it looks nice we all know that with a TR224 cam the car isn't going to hit that high.

Dyno number's are cool.... but tell us how she feels now that you're able to open it up (since A/F has already been confirmed)? ;)

[Hurley711]

Congrat's man! :D



Dyno number's are cool.... but tell us how she feels now that you're able to open it up (since A/F has already been confirmed)? ;)


Car pulls MUCH harder, now. Clutch doesn't like it at high RPMS, gonna have to replace that this spring/summer.

[nhraformula]

told ya once you start modding, its hard to stop.