02 TransAm vs 06ish STi

[thiscatiskool]

so im on US40 on teh way home from school tonight and i see an 06ish STi roll by me, i catch up with him and try to get him to bite and eventually he does but i wasnt ready, so i get back up with him and teach him the "1, 2, GO!" rule. We go 4 times and we both split 2 each, pretty much who ever got the jump stayed ahead and kept pulling slowly. Each run was done from btw 55 and 65 to the top of my second gear (2.73=95ish) after about 90i started pulling on him even though he had been ahead but we both shut down b/c traffic was comin up. I ask him what hes got done and he says its stock but when his turbo was spoolin it was crazy loud. idk i was suprised it was as close as it was. i know from a dig when properly luanched they eat us alive but highwy speeds i thought we had a edge.

[Superluminal]

so im on US40 on teh way home from school tonight and i see an 06ish STi roll by me, i catch up with him and try to get him to bite and eventually he does but i wasnt ready, so i get back up with him and teach him the "1, 2, GO!" rule. We go 4 times and we both split 2 each, pretty much who ever got the jump stayed ahead and kept pulling slowly. Each run was done from btw 55 and 65 to the top of my second gear (2.73=95ish) after about 90i started pulling on him even though he had been ahead but we both shut down b/c traffic was comin up. I ask him what hes got done and he says its stock but when his turbo was spoolin it was crazy loud. idk i was suprised it was as close as it was. i know from a dig when properly luanched they eat us alive but highwy speeds i thought we had a edge.

He was probably bolt ons with upped boost and a tune. If he were stock you'd have pulled him from a roll. Did you get caught in a dead spot with your A4?

[egod]

i know its AWD but even from a dig you should get a jump with all your torque and the fact that he probably doesn't hit full boost till almost 4 grand

[4G63inside]

He was not stock. There is no possible way a "stock" '06 STi can hang with an LS1 from a roll. Even if your rolling with 2.73's, your mods will make up for that. I doubt even my car as it sits (intake & TBE on stock boost and un-tuned) would hang with a stock LS1 from a higher roll. My car will pull on the new Mustang GT's and is about even with the Charger R/T Daytona's from a roll. I'd like to find a stock LS1 to do a fun run with, but stock ones are hard to find here in Chicago.

But if you heard his turbo over, your modded car and he's supposed to be stock.. something should be going in your head that something isn't right

[4G63inside]

sorry the Charger Daytona had an intake, and exhaust as well. I tried to edit the post, but for some reason it wouldn't let me.

[thiscatiskool]

Did you get caught in a dead spot with your A4?

no not really, i messed around afterwards and anywhere from 60-70 when it downshifted i was planted in my seat firmly. He didnt seem like he wanted to talk too much about his car, i know his front end lifted up pretty firmly when he nailed it, so i had no doubt he was making some power.

[Eric1987]

Thats odd. I wtfpwned an 06+ STI on the freeway. I had At LEAST 5 car lengths up to 140. Started at 60.

[big hammer]

no not really, i messed around afterwards and anywhere from 60-70 when it downshifted i was planted in my seat firmly. He didnt seem like he wanted to talk too much about his car, i know his front end lifted up pretty firmly when he nailed it, so i had no doubt he was making some power.

he was just modded and upset that he coulsn't waste you.

[Kaotic_ws6]

he was just modded and upset that he coulsn't waste you.

+1 i beat 06 sti when i had my bone stock lt1 6 speed trans am

[karpetcm]

Eric1987, the higher the speeds the worse off the STI will be. The 4WD system doesnt do well at high speeds and the car falls short after 100mph. Not to say its not fast after 100 but definitly not as fast as the LS1 at those speeds. Best example i got is i raced a older model S4 the turbo ones i think it was a 01 model. He would take off so fast my eyes would pop open, i was amazed and respected how well he would just take off.

I give that guy much respect because he did not want to race me off the line and he had several chances and i wouldve gone win or lose. He waited to get to about 20 mph and then went and we were dead even all the way to the top of my 3rd gear. As soon as we got on the highway and i started in 3rd to the top of 4th in my LT1 93 Z he fell flat on his face and i was shocked as to how different the outcome was. I pulled about 4-5 cars to about 115-120 mph. So racing on the streets and highway will result two completely different outcomes and hard to judge which car is faster when racing from a dig or low speeds.

[Wesman]

he was just modded and upset that he coulsn't waste you.

+1

No way he was even close to stock.

My friend has an STi, you barely hear the turbo at all.

[thiscatiskool]

Sweet thanks guys for the feed back, its definitely a confidence booster, i dont get many races so when i do its a rush. Ive almost got enough money saved up for some LT and a Y pipe, so hopefully by the end of summer i should have them on, and i also took my two 12" subs out of my car (subs and amp=52lbs) its not much but every bit helps right.

[Fox Body]

i know its AWD but even from a dig you should get a jump with all your torque and the fact that he probably doesn't hit full boost till almost 4 grand

yeah but they can launch at 4k+

[side2000]

stis are beat for anything but dirt.

[Zinergy]

yeah but they can launch at 4k+

try 5500

[Zinergy]

i know its AWD but even from a dig you should get a jump with all your torque and the fact that he probably doesn't hit full boost till almost 4 grand

Oh and a tuned sti will hit peak boost at 2700rpms, that being said they is no way a bone stock STI will pull any ls1 car from a roll race.

[egod]

but if you're gonna launch that high in the rpm then your first gear is basically gone.
I thought turbos were half track cars, I can't see them falling on their face at 100 (not like they haven't) i'm just saying

[Zinergy]

but if you're gonna launch that high in the rpm then your first gear is basically gone.
I thought turbos were half track cars, I can't see them falling on their face at 100 (not like they haven't) i'm just saying

The STI tranny is actually pretty strong, i have seen it hold 500whp with just a clutch pretty well. The stock turbos are more for drivability, so they hit peak boost very fast im making 330crank trq at 2900rpms in my legacy. But the boost tapers off at higher rpms, you can get a different solenoid and turbo and hold peak bosot till redline if you want. I hit peak boost at 2800-2900rpms which 17-18psi and at redline 7000-7200rpms im at 11-12psi.

[Turrry]

The STi transmission was, I heard, designed in part by a little known owned Fuji Heavy Industries company....known as Caterpillar...

[Wesman]

The STi transmission was, I heard, designed in part by a little known owned Fuji Heavy Industries company....known as Caterpillar...

Considering that Fuji Heavy Industry doesn't even own Caterpillar, thats not possible.

[Superluminal]

The STi transmission was, I heard, designed in part by a little known owned Fuji Heavy Industries company....known as Caterpillar...

Not that I'm aware of. However, Fuji Heavy Industries does make some pretty impressive stuff in industrial, public, and aerospace applications, as well as automotive.

[Daz-E]

My STi peak spool was at 2700 rpm's and I was running an ots stage 2 map and a gutted DP with 3" catback.
I did about 160 mph(still had some left too !) in it racing my sister-in-law in her madza speed 6.

[side2000]

damn my buddy's got built sti and his barely goes 160. . .

[Zinergy]

damn my buddy's got built sti and his barely goes 160. . .

Then its not built lol

Unless you mean the engine is built but the gearing hasnt been changed and it runs outta rpm around there. But if is setup correctly should get to 160 pretty fast, depending on how built it is a built STI can get to 160 with ease

[side2000]

his is in the 500 wheel range. at about 130 it stops "pullin like it did" and starts gradually slowin down. this doesnt mean it's not pullin anymore but it certainly doesnt feel like 500 wheel that it felt like @ 70. . .i dunno what your defenition of "with ease" is. . .of course his car goes 160 but "with ease" is not somethin even he would claim. . .i dun wanna argue bout it i was just puttin my .02 in so this didnt turn into a wrex praisin session. cuz they are certainly nothin to praise against a non-awd car at the speeds we talkin bout.

[Kaotic_ws6]

his is in the 500 wheel range. at about 130 it stops "pullin like it did" and starts gradually slowin down. this doesnt mean it's not pullin anymore but it certainly doesnt feel like 500 wheel that it felt like @ 70. . .i dunno what your defenition of "with ease" is. . .of course his car goes 160 but "with ease" is not somethin even he would claim. . .i dun wanna argue bout it i was just puttin my .02 in so this didnt turn into a wrex praisin session. cuz they are certainly nothin to praise against a non-awd car at the speeds we talkin bout.

well if he makes 500 at the wheels and cant hit 160 fairly easy then somethins wrong, cuz i can hit 160 VERY easy and i only make 420 compared to his 500

[big hammer]

well if he makes 500 at the wheels and cant hit 160 fairly easy then somethins wrong, cuz i can hit 160 VERY easy and i only make 420 compared to his 500

i've hit 166 with minor boltons and still slowly gaining.

[2005sti]

well if he makes 500 at the wheels and cant hit 160 fairly easy then somethins wrong, cuz i can hit 160 VERY easy and i only make 420 compared to his 500

You guys are all idiots, top speed depends on gearing. If your ratios are low = lower top speed at high rpms. Seriously you have to stop being such fanboys, you call your cars stock with just a few bolt ons and this guy probably had exhaust + reflash. would you consider an exhaust and a tune a modified car? probably not. DP + tune STi's can run a 12.5, I'm sure that can keep up with a TA

[big hammer]

You guys are all idiots, top speed depends on gearing. If your ratios are low = lower top speed at high rpms. Seriously you have to stop being such fanboys, you call your cars stock with just a few bolt ons and this guy probably had exhaust + reflash. would you consider an exhaust and a tune a modified car? probably not. DP + tune STi's can run a 12.5, I'm sure that can keep up with a TA

top speed also depends on aerodynamics and torque, along with gearing. maybe you're the idiot?

[karpetcm]

I agree with big hammer, its not just about gearing hitting top speed although it is important and thats why many euro's do well top end. You need good Aero. and good amount of power/Tq to be able to pull at higher speeds. Lots of reasons why an STI hits 12.5 in the quarter you need to also look at MPH. Ive seen plenty of 4wd cars sti's and evo's running very quick times but mph was just the same or maybe a tad faster then a 13.4 second car.

If your talking quarter mile especially with 4wd cars they make up most of there times in the very begining the 1st 60 ft with a good driver and even then ive seen some really sh*ty drivers bogging off the line. I think an STI will hit 160 mph but you also have to look at how long it takes it to hit 160mph some cars can hit it for example in 20 seconds and some cars will do it in 25 seconds and thats just an example. Just because both cars can hit 160 doesnt mean they both accelerate the same.

[Kaotic_ws6]

top speed also depends on aerodynamics and torque, along with gearing. maybe you're the idiot?

i agree:slap:

[blackSS01]

You guys are all idiots, top speed depends on gearing. If your ratios are low = lower top speed at high rpms. Seriously you have to stop being such fanboys, you call your cars stock with just a few bolt ons and this guy probably had exhaust + reflash. would you consider an exhaust and a tune a modified car? probably not. DP + tune STi's can run a 12.5, I'm sure that can keep up with a TA

:lmao: :lol:

Gearing + aero + power/torq = top speed

And if a car has bolt ons, then its not stock. Most of us around here agree on that (most = 99.9 %)

[Wesman]

You guys are all idiots, top speed depends on gearing. If your ratios are low = lower top speed at high rpms. Seriously you have to stop being such fanboys, you call your cars stock with just a few bolt ons and this guy probably had exhaust + reflash. would you consider an exhaust and a tune a modified car?

If its been modifed from stock and makes more power...guess what?? Its modified :wwf:

Never seen any one call their car "stock" if it has bolt ons. Mods = not stock. Why are you confused by this concept??

probably not. DP + tune STi's can run a 12.5, I'm sure that can keep up with a TA

12.5's don't mean shit when its all in the launch. Once the car is in the triple digit speeds, might as well get out and push. You can brag about AWD launches all you want, but the real power is represented by trap speed.

top speed also depends on aerodynamics and torque, along with gearing. maybe you're the idiot?

:true:

[side2000]

You guys are all idiots, top speed depends on gearing. If your ratios are low = lower top speed at high rpms. Seriously you have to stop being such fanboys, you call your cars stock with just a few bolt ons and this guy probably had exhaust + reflash. would you consider an exhaust and a tune a modified car? probably not. DP + tune STi's can run a 12.5, I'm sure that can keep up with a TA

a full exhaust/intake f-body can hit mid-high 12's. . .an sti with someone willing to launch it like it should be lauched can hit 12's with mild bolt-ons. so. . .both cars can hit 12's with bolt ons. the f-body is STILL the faster car. throw some rubber on the rear of that same f-body that is sticky enough to run well below 2 sec 60's, like said sti can, and then you're loookin at an embarassed sti. i just dont get why so many people dont understand the trade-offs of awd. . . .AT THE TRACK: quicker launch, slower trap speeds. . .ON THE STREET: beast to 70, beat after. close ratio gear boxes are lame also. . . . .keep that shit on the dirt.

[wenn_du_weinst]

meh I would rather have a sti than a f-body some days and others I would rather have the f-body atleast the sti isn't an automatic 2-3 grand after the purchase of the car to make sure it doesn't kill its rear axle

[blackSS01]

^ 10 bolts are weak but people have gotten into the 10's in the 1/4 with them :true: I know of a guy right now that is pushing 428 RWHP with stock 10 that is holding up. That and rears are more like $1700 - $2000. They are hit or miss, some break under stock power, some hold up. Mine has seen a couple 5K dumps with it hooking 100%, you can kiss AWD good bye unless it was pulling 500 or so horse since I did these 2 hard launches with full bolt ons.

[4tun8]

^ 10 bolts are weak but people have gotten into the 10's in the 1/4 with them :true: I know of a guy right now that is pushing 428 RWHP with stock 10 that is holding up. That and rears are more like $1700 - $2000. They are hit or miss, some break under stock power, some hold up. Mine has seen a couple 5K dumps with it hooking 100%, you can kiss AWD good bye unless it was pulling 500 or so horse since I did these 2 hard launches with full bolt ons.

What did you run when you dumped it at 5k? 60 foot? What tires?

[side2000]

ive had over 400 wheel for entire time ive had my car (8 years 50000 miles) i put axles in it, stock diff, and i never have problem. granted, its only seen the drag strip a dozen times, but over 5000 of those miles have been on road courses. . .FWIW

[Mieux97]

He was not stock. There is no possible way a "stock" '06 STi can hang with an LS1 from a roll. Even if your rolling with 2.73's, your mods will make up for that. I doubt even my car as it sits (intake & TBE on stock boost and un-tuned) would hang with a stock LS1 from a higher roll. My car will pull on the new Mustang GT's and is about even with the Charger R/T Daytona's from a roll. I'd like to find a stock LS1 to do a fun run with, but stock ones are hard to find here in Chicago.

But if you heard his turbo over, your modded car and he's supposed to be stock.. something should be going in your head that something isn't right

I have a stock ls1 :)

[blackSS01]

What did you run when you dumped it at 5k? 60 foot? What tires?

I was running Goodyear GSD3's 275/40/17 and was not at the track :mad: Me and a buddy went out for some burn outs and couldn't get the damn thing to burn out :true: First I dropped it at 2,000 and the car died, I was like what the fuck :think: So I dumpped it from 3,500 and it chirped and took off. So it got me pissed and I decided to do a couple 5,000 + drops which resulted in the car chirping and taking off like it was doing a wheelie (which I wish it had the power to do). I was astonished, but in all reality, it was 100 degrees out and the road had been black topped a few weeks prior.

[egod]

I was running Goodyear GSD3's 275/40/17 and was not at the track :mad: Me and a buddy went out for some burn outs and couldn't get the damn thing to burn out :true: First I dropped it at 2,000 and the car died, I was like what the fuck :think: So I dumpped it from 3,500 and it chirped and took off. So it got me pissed and I decided to do a couple 5,000 + drops which resulted in the car chirping and taking off like it was doing a wheelie (which I wish it had the power to do). I was astonished, but in all reality, it was 100 degrees out and the road had been black topped a few weeks prior.

do you have any mods? those must be some damn sticky tires cause i can drop mine (lid, lca's) from 3500 and smoke them. I would love to be able to launch like that stock.

[blackSS01]

Mods in sig which besides EWP I am full bolt on. At Byron, ILL I spin like crazy. None of my other friends believed me until the buddy with me was like "Hell yeah, took off like a raped ape" (or something close to that). Never tried to mimic it due to not having enough cash to replace the 10 bolt. Now my H/C build is going (putting the cart before the horse) I will get around to the rear eventually. I am putting 315 GSD3's on after the build. Goodyear gets my vote but only for that tire :true:

[wenn_du_weinst]

you don't dump the clutch in a awd drive car any way
but my 10 bolt was going out and it was just a bolt on car and a small cam 6spd if I dropped it at 2500 it would spin like crazy

[Kaotic_ws6]

^ 10 bolts are weak but people have gotten into the 10's in the 1/4 with them :true: I know of a guy right now that is pushing 428 RWHP with stock 10 that is holding up. That and rears are more like $1700 - $2000. They are hit or miss, some break under stock power, some hold up. Mine has seen a couple 5K dumps with it hooking 100%, you can kiss AWD good bye unless it was pulling 500 or so horse since I did these 2 hard launches with full bolt ons.

mine holdin up still.. but knock on wood lol

[mrr23]

been 663 rwhp on my stock rear. 1.605 60ft 10.85 @ 127

[karpetcm]

Mine is holding up to and if i can find real wood id knock on it myself.

[Turrry]

Pre-load is the key....keep rockin those stock rears boys.

[side2000]

Pre-load is the key....keep rockin those stock rears boys.

:nana::nana:

[Kaotic_ws6]

been 663 rwhp on my stock rear. 1.605 60ft 10.85 @ 127

holy shit