LS1 240SX vs. Hyundai Genesis

[Superluminal]

Don't know if this is worth the post, but I had fun. So currently while I'm putting together some parts for the cam swap, and being that my other 240SX is down for upgrades, the LS1 twoforD is my only fun car for now.

Anyways, I decided to take the car out yesterday to take some stuff over to the Fedex drop to be shipped. Well I'm at the light and this brand new black Hyundai Genesis coupe rolls up with two high school looking kids in the front seats. So then I get a rev from that 2.0L turbo. I think to myself "Do I really need to embarrass these kids or not worry about it". I decide the later, however when the light turns green the Hyundai does some rediculous launch and smokes his rear tires past me and proceeds to "pull" away as I drive normal. So I get up to the next light and these little punks are snickering in the car. At this point I'm really motivated to open her up. So then this little 17 year old has the nerve to say "Hey, do you want to get beat again?"..... seriously, who says that to someone else? So I just look over and shake my head at them. I look ahead, no cars in front, do a quick cop check, looks pretty clear. Light turns green and this Genesis goes for another smokey launch. I rev her up and launch her when the light turns green (I'm on drag radials). I think I put about 5 cars on him by the time I hit 2 gear. So I ride out 2nd for just a bit, and feel bad and shift to 3rd to wait for him. Sure enough he's coming up quick still on the throttle. Just as he's at my back bumper I nail it to the firewall in 3rd, catch his speed, hit 4th and he's way way back. Pathetic. So I put it into 5th, then 6th and start to slow down to cruising speed, and this fool is still on the throttle and blows by me at about 100mph. So we go over a bridge and he's already stopped at the next light. I roll up and ask these guys, "Hey, do you want to get beat again?" To my comment the guy rolls up his windows in defeat. So I do a u-turn and head back to my destination.

Not the best kill story, but it was nice to take a turbo Genesis down.

[4G63inside]

11.55 vs. high 14's.. LS1 FTW lol..

[ls1camino]

Nice kill...I love beating little punks.

[big hammer]

maybe the genesis coupe 2.0 is the next v6 mustang


nice job putting the punks back where they belong!

[ss~zoso~ss]

haha, sick story!

[SS02]

U tried to be nice... I cannot believe he asked U that!
Punks!!!

[SVG210]

it wasnt a kill, I see it more as a lesson you thought those idiots good job! :)

[levityinc3]

That's hilarious and awesome.

The best model of the Genesis has a V8 though right? And it's relatively cheap and fast I think. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[big hammer]

That's hilarious and awesome.

The best model of the Genesis has a V8 though right? And it's relatively cheap and fast I think. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

3.something v6 i think. low 300 hp.

[levityinc3]

I got off my lazy ass.

Front Virtual king pin axis (5-link)
Rear Multi-link (5-link)
Stabilizer bar (front/rear): 26 mm/18 mm
Wheel Size 18 in.
Front Brakes 12.99 in. x 1.18 in.
Rear Brakes 12.36 in. x .51 in.
Drivetrain
Transmission ZF 6 Speed Automatic with SHIFTRONIC manual control
Layout Front Engine, RWD
Engine
Horsepower 375 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque 333 lb.-ft @ 3500 rpm
Engine Type DOHC 4.6-liter V8
Material Aluminum block/ aluminum head
Performance
0-60 mph Less than 6 sec
Top Speed TBA
Weight Distribution 52 front/ 48 rear
Curb Weight 4006 lbs.

Not too bad for a Hyundai. $38k though.

[Zinergy]

I got off my lazy ass.

Front Virtual king pin axis (5-link)
Rear Multi-link (5-link)
Stabilizer bar (front/rear): 26 mm/18 mm
Wheel Size 18 in.
Front Brakes 12.99 in. x 1.18 in.
Rear Brakes 12.36 in. x .51 in.
Drivetrain
Transmission ZF 6 Speed Automatic with SHIFTRONIC manual control
Layout Front Engine, RWD
Engine
Horsepower 375 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque 333 lb.-ft @ 3500 rpm
Engine Type DOHC 4.6-liter V8
Material Aluminum block/ aluminum head
Performance
0-60 mph Less than 6 sec
Top Speed TBA
Weight Distribution 52 front/ 48 rear
Curb Weight 4006 lbs.

Not too bad for a Hyundai. $38k though.

Thats the sedan that comes with the v8, the coupe that weighs 3200lbs only comes with the 2.0turbo and v6 and msrp is 22k for the turbo model and 25k for the turbo model with brembos and race tuned suspension, torsen rear diff and 6 speed manual. Now the v6 is faster stock but the 2.0turbo thats in the coupe is a design copied after the 4b11 evo engine. There are already alot of bolt ons for the turbo genesis and in korea where the car has been out for almost 2 years people already have gt35r and gt30r custom setups making some decent power.

[doozjamann]

Nice reality check.

[Danger731]

nice

[allbaugh_04]

Thx, thats a good story, not so good kill...buncha losers lol

[levityinc3]

Thats the sedan that comes with the v8, the coupe that weighs 3200lbs only comes with the 2.0turbo and v6 and msrp is 22k for the turbo model and 25k for the turbo model with brembos and race tuned suspension, torsen rear diff and 6 speed manual. Now the v6 is faster stock but the 2.0turbo thats in the coupe is a design copied after the 4b11 evo engine. There are already alot of bolt ons for the turbo genesis and in korea where the car has been out for almost 2 years people already have gt35r and gt30r custom setups making some decent power.

Nice. Thanks man.

[Superluminal]

You can laugh, but I believe this will be the new RWD import sports car craze. 2.0L turbo + RWD is something many import enthusiasts have been waiting for since the 240SX.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/newyork/2008/2010hyundaigenesiscoupenews.10hyundaigenesiscouped rft.img.jpg

[big hammer]

You can laugh, but I believe this will be the new RWD import sports car craze. 2.0L turbo + RWD is something many import enthusiasts have been waiting for since the 240SX.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/newyork/2008/2010hyundaigenesiscoupenews.10hyundaigenesiscouped rft.img.jpg

is the engine a detuned mitsu motor?

[allbaugh_04]

yea, then they just use the car and find a better engine to put in it just like the 240sx

[Zinergy]

is the engine a detuned mitsu motor?

Its not as good as the evo block. But they do have sleeves already to make sure it can hold some boost. Basically they wanted the genesis to be the new tuner car but hyundai didnt want to have to build an performance engine and a whole new aftermarket world for it. So they are using one that already has a good rep and a good aftermarket supply.

The car itself is a good design and they are making many versions

2.0 non turbo
2.0 turbo
2.0 turbo track with brembos, suspension and torsen rear diff
v6
v6 track with same gear as the 2.0t track
and they said they will release a stirpped version of the 2.oturbo that is supposed to come in at 3000lbs or slightly under.

[Superluminal]

yea, then they just use the car and find a better engine to put in it just like the 240sx

Well at least they get a 2.0L turbo or a 3.8L V6, 6 speed transmission, limited slip, Brembo brakes, and tuned suspension to start with STOCK. All the 240SX got was a 2.4L truck motor that barley got the car into the 16s stock. The only reason I run 240s is for the chassis. Cheap, light, RWD, strong. Means I can spend money on more important areas of the car...... like under the bonnet.

[Sleeper101]

Nice Kill, you prob made them go sell there daddy bought car to buy a (v8 240sx) lmao!!

[Superluminal]

Nice Kill, you prob made them go sell there daddy bought car to buy a (v8 240sx) lmao!!

I don't know, these kids were pretty dumbfounded. Seemed like they didn't understand.... 240 + V8 = brainmelt.

Almost done getting everything for the cam swap, just been busy lately. Curious to see what difference it will make since I'm already mid 11s on bolt ons. I wonder if I can snag a 10s pass on cam only.

[allbaugh_04]

Shouldn't be a problem. Get a good '60 foot and you'll get it...any pics?

[WS6Rob]

hahaha wow that had me cracking up good kill

[big hammer]

I don't know, these kids were pretty dumbfounded. Seemed like they didn't understand.... 240 + V8 = brainmelt.

Almost done getting everything for the cam swap, just been busy lately. Curious to see what difference it will make since I'm already mid 11s on bolt ons. I wonder if I can snag a 10s pass on cam only.

i'd love to cam an ls1-- i've just never had the opporitunity to do one yet. i hear it's quite easy. done countless SBC and BBC's though--- BBC's wake up huge to cams. did the one in my sleeper truck and i musta gained around 75hp or so. but this is the cam that came out of it.
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt11/pinchnloaf/carebearcam005.jpg

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt11/pinchnloaf/carebearcam004.jpg

[Turrry]

Nice, I'm interested to see what the 2.0L cars are eventually able to do with some aftermarket support. I predict they will by FAR be the one of choice over the V6 models.

[Superluminal]

Nice, I'm interested to see what the 2.0L cars are eventually able to do with some aftermarket support. I predict they will by FAR be the one of choice over the V6 models.

My other 240SX is a 2.0L with a mild build and a GT35R kit. Runs low 10s at 140mph trap. My car weighs much, much less than a Genesis though. So 2.0L has potential, that would be the smallest 4 cylinder I recommend trying to make power on, anything smaller and the car makes no torque.

From preliminary engine inspection of the Genesis, the motor shares the platform and is very similar the to new EVO motor, 4B11T. The only difference in the motors is the Genesis motor is made with cheaper parts (cast instead of forged), and it's an open deck block. Also since it's in RWD configuration you can't really swap anything external over from the EVO engine..... however, since the engine platform is the same, there is no reason why one couldn't throw in an EVO block in there, since the engine pretty much identical in internal dimensions and configuration. The only problem I can see is if the mounting for the transmission is similar to the EVOs bolt pattern, and if not I'm sure mounting plates can be made. The car weighs pretty close to what an EVO weighs, so I can only conclude that, assuming other components on the car hold up to power, the Genesis should be able to go down the track faster since it only needs to power 2 wheels. The only disadvantage would be not having the AWD launch of the EVO, but this can be made up for with a good tire/wheel/launch setup, and it will definately have more top end.

The car is still new and unexplored in heavy modifications, so only time will tell once some of the big name shops get to work on them if this car will perform well.

[Zinergy]

My other 240SX is a 2.0L with a mild build and a GT35R kit. Runs low 10s at 140mph trap. My car weighs much, much less than a Genesis though. So 2.0L has potential, that would be the smallest 4 cylinder I recommend trying to make power on, anything smaller and the car makes no torque.

From preliminary engine inspection of the Genesis, the motor shares the platform and is very similar the to new EVO motor, 4B11T. The only difference in the motors is the Genesis motor is made with cheaper parts (cast instead of forged), and it's an open deck block. Also since it's in RWD configuration you can't really swap anything external over from the EVO engine..... however, since the engine platform is the same, there is no reason why one couldn't throw in an EVO block in there, since the engine pretty much identical in internal dimensions and configuration. The only problem I can see is if the mounting for the transmission is similar to the EVOs bolt pattern, and if not I'm sure mounting plates can be made. The car weighs pretty close to what an EVO weighs, so I can only conclude that, assuming other components on the car hold up to power, the Genesis should be able to go down the track faster since it only needs to power 2 wheels. The only disadvantage would be not having the AWD launch of the EVO, but this can be made up for with a good tire/wheel/launch setup, and it will definately have more top end.

The car is still new and unexplored in heavy modifications, so only time will tell once some of the big name shops get to work on them if this car will perform well.


Actually it isnt unexpolred, its been out for almost 2 years in korea and some of those cars have gt30r setups and make 350-400whp, but most of the ones i have seen only have like 750cc inj. Which makes me think they could get alot more power out of that turbo with more fuel. Not sure if the block would hold but they already have aftermarket sleeves for that engine.

[02transamce]

hyundai,daimler-chrysler and mitsubishi got together to design the 2.0L engine.each manufacturer did their own head/cam design,though.these kids obviously were out classed by your car,but with the comment that was made "getting beat again" you did the right thing...beat the crap out of them in the new car daddy just bought them.nice kill errr "lesson"