08 COBALT SS TURBO VS. 99-04ISH stang GT

[Justin93]

So my best friend just picked up a New cobalt ss turbo last saturday(its all stock). I must say it is a sweet little damn car. So today he picks me up and we go hit up the local luch- watering hole about an hour ago.

So on the way to get some beer and food this 40ish year old dude in a 99-04 style gt 5 speed is reving the shit out his car next to us at a red light (he had full exhaust from the way it sounded). I look a my buddy whom at this time has a smile from ear to ear and tell him to launch on his ass.

He turns on the launch control and puts the rpms to 5k for launch. The mustang spun like crazy of the line but my buddies SS dead hooked with the launch control by the time w got to third at about 80 we had 4 lengths on the guy. The guy got next to us at the next red light and yelled to me and my friend " whats that thing got in it". I simply replyed "its just a 4banger with a hair dryer!".

[Zinergy]

Lol, those cobalts and solstice fuel systems are crazy. Direct injection and they can support 350-400whp. You just need a bigger turbo, bolt ons and the right tune, injectors and pump are taken care of by GM. It also has brembo calipers on the front :rockon:

[Wesman]

Nice kill.

Those new SS Turbos are quick cars.

They are running 14.0's, which is exactly what 99-04 Mustang GT 5 speed's run in stock form. Sounds like you got the launch pretty good, hence the 4 car lead. From a roll it would have been a pure HP race, which would have been interesting for sure.

[Smittro]

Nice! I just pictured the guy in the mustang like:wtf: When that cobalt spooled up and drove by!:rockon:

[Zinergy]

Nice kill.

Those new SS Turbos are quick cars.

They are running 14.0's, which is exactly what 99-04 Mustang GT 5 speed's run in stock form. Sounds like you got the launch pretty good, hence the 4 car lead. From a roll it would have been a pure HP race, which would have been interesting for sure.

Not really, they both make the same power, but the cobalt is 400lbs lighter. No race is a pure hp race unless both cars have the same gearing, weight and aerodynamics.

[Turrry]

they have launch control??

[Wesman]

Not really, they both make the same power, but the cobalt is 400lbs lighter. No race is a pure hp race unless both cars have the same gearing, weight and aerodynamics.

Obviously you misunderstood.

Both cars run the same times in the 1/4 and trap about the same.

Therefore it should be a drivers race from a roll. Thats what I meant.

[Wesman]

they have launch control??

Yes, and also a no-lift-shift feature.

[Zinergy]

Obviously you misunderstood.

Both cars run the same times in the 1/4 and trap about the same.

Therefore it should be a drivers race from a roll. Thats what I meant.

The SS traps 103-104mph, i thought the 99-04 stang gt was a 98-100mph trap speed car?

[wooddaniel]

The SS traps 103-104mph, i thought the 99-04 stang gt was a 98-100mph trap speed car?

It is. I used to have one. NEVER trapped over 100 stock. Best time was 14.09@99MPH.

[Zinergy]

It is. I used to have one. NEVER trapped over 100 stock. Best time was 14.09@99MPH.

Which is why i would think a 08+ cobalt SS would pull one on a roll.

[Shermanator86]

Yes, and also a no-lift-shift feature.

No-lift-shift is the number one reason i want to drive one of the new turbo ss's, i think it would be fun

[wooddaniel]

No-lift-shift is the number one reason i want to drive one of the new turbo ss's, i think it would be fun

I test drove one. It was alright. I liked driving the new challenger better. Front wheel drive just doesn't do it for me.

[Justin93]

Nice kill.

Those new SS Turbos are quick cars.

They are running 14.0's, which is exactly what 99-04 Mustang GT 5 speed's run in stock form.

Yea I tuned a local kids silver 08 ss with the Hahn racecraft tuner and he trapped 13.2 before the tracks closed for the winter, and that was with the stock turbo and a cat back!

[Justin93]

No-lift-shift is the number one reason i want to drive one of the new turbo ss's, i think it would be fun

awe dude its sweet, my eclipse gs-t has it too. Its awesome to be able to hold boost.

[Justin93]

I test drove one. It was alright. I liked driving the new challenger better. Front wheel drive just doesn't do it for me.

It torque steers like a MF'er, but atleast gm put limited slip in them unlike the first few years of the srt-4's.

[wooddaniel]

It torque steers like a MF'er, but atleast gm put limited slip in them unlike the first few years of the srt-4's.

Yeah, they are cool little cars for what they are.

[Turrry]

Yes, and also a no-lift-shift feature.

Wow.....that's very impressive. Too bad they missed the heyday by about 3-4 years IMHO...when the EVO/STi/SRT-4 debuted, there were TONS around....this car would have been a deal breaker for many of those buyers I would think.

[Zinergy]

Wow.....that's very impressive. Too bad they missed the heyday by about 3-4 years IMHO...when the EVO/STi/SRT-4 debuted, there were TONS around....this car would have been a deal breaker for many of those buyers I would think.

Its still has a class against the speed 3 and SRT-4 caliber.

[Justin93]

with the new fast and the furious movie out now I wouldnt doubt that you will see more of them on the street. The owner of the dealer where my buddy bought his says they can't keep these new SS's on the lot. They get one in and its usually gone within a few days.

[wooddaniel]

with the new fast and the furious movie out now I wouldnt doubt that you will see more of them on the street. The owner of the dealer where my buddy bought his says they can't keep these new SS's on the lot. They get one in and its usually gone within a few days.

Yeah that is for sure. I remember after the first movie people were driving like idiots in stock hondas for at least six months... It might be what GM needs right now.

[Justin93]

Yeah that is for sure. I remember after the first movie people were driving like idiots in stock hondas for at least six months... It might be what GM needs right now.

I'd say with the problems GM has, the ss is just a bandaid over a gun shot wound.

[Zinergy]

I'd say with the problems GM has, the ss is just a bandaid over a gun shot wound.

Oh yes, but now its got Obama behind it LOL

[wooddaniel]

I'd say with the problems GM has, the ss is just a bandaid over a gun shot wound.

Yeah. Sadly. I really think they are one of the better american car companies.

[Justin93]

Yeah. Sadly. I really think they are one of the better american car companies.

Some Auto experts are saying that the New Camaro should really help GM. They have a ton of pre orders in for them and alot of customers coming into the showroom to ask about them.

[01 SS Vert]

I wouldn't mind if the fiancee got the ss has her next daily driver. I wouldn't mind jumping in it from time to time. I'll take my 12 second American muscle ride for the moment. :)

If she got one, I would drop maybe a grand at it, and leave it at that.....intake, tune, stock exhaust, maybe springs.

I love my modded camaro, but I also really like my unmodded cars too - keep it simple sometimes is just as nice. A stock 14 second flat daily driver and good gas mileage isn't something to laugh at. Do the newer models still have that silly wing? That's my only realy complaint on the old ones.

[ls1fan74]

What is "launch control?" Basically for no lift shift, im pretty sure the whole throttle system is computer controlled, in that it doesnt bang off redline when you keep the gas pinned while pushing the clutch and shifting, but what does this do for launching exactly?

[Superluminal]

What is "launch control?" Basically for no lift shift, im pretty sure the whole throttle system is computer controlled, in that it doesnt bang off redline when you keep the gas pinned while pushing the clutch and shifting, but what does this do for launching exactly?

It regulates the power to the wheels. So essentially a monkey could turn the launch control on dump the clutch and the computer will regulate the cars traction off the line, providing the maximum power vs. traction ratio, which essentially produces the best launch. I personally dislike launch control, only because it takes out the skill involved in launching a car.

[c5z28]

You can get a tune for those from gm to give it almost 300hp, and all under warranty.

[Eric1987]

Nice kill.

Those new SS Turbos are quick cars.

They are running 14.0's, which is exactly what 99-04 Mustang GT 5 speed's run in stock form. Sounds like you got the launch pretty good, hence the 4 car lead. From a roll it would have been a pure HP race, which would have been interesting for sure.

They have run a 13.5 completely stock before.

[Too Fast]

You can get a tune for those from gm to give it almost 300hp, and all under warranty.

I thought it was good for 40 HP and 60 more ft-lbs torque, or maybe that is reversed, and it is good for all turbo eco-tech engines. Like you said, a $650 tune from the dealer, still with a warranty...wish I could get that much of an improvement for the $$$.

[mogs01gt]

It is. I used to have one. NEVER trapped over 100 stock. Best time was 14.09@99MPH.
Mine never trapped less than 100 stock... You could miss a shift and still hit 98.

[wooddaniel]

Mine never trapped less than 100 stock... You could miss a shift and still hit 98.

What was your best ET? Was your car completely stock? Mine still had the paper filter and everything. Mine must have just been a dog. My fastest trap speed was 100 MPH. It was a 1999 GT 5 speed

[Justin93]

You can get a tune for those from gm to give it almost 300hp, and all under warranty.

This is correct, I already talked him into ordering it lol!!!!

[Wesman]

Mine never trapped less than 100 stock... You could miss a shift and still hit 98.

I didn't think they were that slow. I still think a New Edge GT is faster than a Cobalt SS Supercharged, and those trap at 98-100MPH, so GT should be faster than that.

[Wesman]

They have run a 13.5 completely stock before.

And where did this happen?? Source??

Must have at least had drag radials.

[Superluminal]

And where did this happen?? Source??

Must have at least had drag radials.

I've seen mid 13s out of them as well. Yes, the car needs drag radials.

All the cars mentioned here are about equal in performance. It will mostly come down to driver skill.

I haven't done a lot of research on the new Cobalt SS Turbos, but if you can get 300hp out of them with a mail in tune, then that says the car still has a lot to give with the factory turbo setup. Only downside I see is that the car is sitting on a FWD platform, which is going to to hurt the cars traction off the line, the more power it makes. Again, with the right tire setup and driver some of these drawbacks can be negated, but from a roll......

Just for reference, I've also seen low 13s out of GTs with bolt ons and 4.10s.... on street tires. Like I said, most of these cars performance capabilities on BPU power are about the same.

[wooddaniel]

I didn't think they were that slow. I still think a New Edge GT is faster than a Cobalt SS Supercharged, and those trap at 98-100MPH, so GT should be faster than that.

Mine was. It may just have been the air here in Florida is humid... We usually have a pretty shitty DA unless it is winter... and then most of the tracks are closed.

[allbaugh_04]

That's why I mod my car, to stay away from embarrassment like this...damn quick 4-bangers lol

[Superluminal]

That's why I mod my car, to stay away from embarrassment like this...damn quick 4-bangers lol

Well, some of them are quick.... most suck. Get someone who knows what their doing and they can make anything fast.

[ls1fan74]

Well, some of them are quick.... most suck. Get someone who knows what their doing and they can make anything fast.


I just traded an 06 Ion Redline for my GTO...same thing as the Cobalt SS except supercharged instead of Turbo'd(pre-08...now Saturn is done and Chevy has the hairdryer)....it made 205/200 from the ecotec 2.0L~stock Getrag F35 five speed came with 4.10 gearing, mine was competition package and came w/ limited slip front differential.

From an online GM dealer, GM Stage 2 kit for the SS S'charged was $550 which was upgraded injectors (42lb vs 32 stock) 3" pulley (vs 3.25"), belt and hardware, and a code for the dealer to retune, which raised the RPM redline to 7k. Was good for 241/218 FULL warranty.

Ppl def made their own "kits" too with 60lb injectors and down to 2.7" pulleys. With those, tighter valve springs and full exhaust that Ecotec was good for 8000 RPMs and depending on tune there were some over 300 HP......I can only imagine what they're doing to the turbos, with 260/260 stock, and if I'm correct, does it have a 6 speed now? or same 5 speed F35 from Saab?:hitit:

[Superluminal]

I just traded an 06 Ion Redline for my GTO...same thing as the Cobalt SS except supercharged instead of Turbo'd(pre-08...now Saturn is done and Chevy has the hairdryer)....it made 205/200 from the ecotec 2.0L~stock Getrag F35 five speed came with 4.10 gearing, mine was competition package and came w/ limited slip front differential.

From an online GM dealer, GM Stage 2 kit for the SS S'charged was $550 which was upgraded injectors (42lb vs 32 stock) 3" pulley (vs 3.25"), belt and hardware, and a code for the dealer to retune, which raised the RPM redline to 7k. Was good for 241/218 FULL warranty.

Ppl def made their own "kits" too with 60lb injectors and down to 2.7" pulleys. With those, tighter valve springs and full exhaust that Ecotec was good for 8000 RPMs and depending on tune there were some over 300 HP......I can only imagine what they're doing to the turbos, with 260/260 stock, and if I'm correct, does it have a 6 speed now? or same 5 speed F35 from Saab?:hitit:

Supercharged 4 cylinders are a joke. They make decent power from the factory, but they don't have the displacement to make up for the power the supercharger robs when you start modifying it. Turbo is the only true forced induction way to go on a 4 cylinder, in my opinion. Seriously, it would be almost impossible to get my 240 to where it is now with a supercharger.

[allbaugh_04]

Well leave the s/c on the cobalt and just add a turbo then..lol

[Superluminal]

Well leave the s/c on the cobalt and just add a turbo then..lol

I'd like to see a twin-charged Cobalt.