oo z28 m6 vs. 05 wrx sti

[slowchevyz28]

while cruising in a near by town i ran upon a rice rocket. it was a brand new 05 sti, the car was a 6 speed awd turbo making 300hp to the wheels. he got to talking some mad trash about chevys so we decided to settle it on the street. it was like 3 am so we went out on highway 58 in va. went from a 20 roll at first. i spanked that poor boy like his momma should. then he kept bitchin bout how a race is from a stop not a roll, well i agrteed so went from a dig in the middle of 58. i figured he was gonna rape me off the line. to my surprise he pulled me only a car and by the time i hit 2nd he was a car behind,and by 3rd he shut his down . stock vs stock. guess we know who makes a better car now.

[toneloc60]

Damn! That's good to know. I haven't had a chance to run an STi, but I've been really leary about running into one at a light. I also have stock '00 Z28 M6. Well, stock exept for porting the MAF.

[1 of 122]

Sweet! Way to represent....funny how some people talk poop until they get spanked. Then they make excuses why the lost, usually it's "I missed 3rd or It wasn't from a roll or The planets weren't in the correct alignment" :rolleyes:

BTW, the STi is rated at 300 stock hp at the crank, they are a little less then that at the wheels...more like 230 - 245 hp stock.

[casisthefirst]

amazingly, they say an wrx sti ranks among top 5 in 0-60, like 4.6 s...
i guess only when a pro is driving

[FireHawk#75]

What all have you done to your car? - if those STIs ar boosting more than stock you can say by by to that stock 300hp - my buddy got rapped by a stock looking STI in his 03 mach 1 and he is putting out 300 at the wheels. Be careful!:true:

[MikeSomething]

I've beaten an STi and frankly I wasn't impressed w/ their power. Some people even on this forum think STi's are so wonderful. I still to this day can't justify blowin $35k on one of them.

[FireHawk#75]

i wouldn't pay 30,000 for it - fuck that - i am just saying that they can be quick - quicker than the evos anyway!

[GOODZ/BADZ]

Yeah some of them can run. My buddy raced an 06'STI that didn't even have plates yet with his 99'SS. The STI jumped out a car on him from the go and my friend could not pull him in, I think the STI had a boost controller that he turned up. This guys STI is on my to kill list now though so as soon as I get my car running again I'm gonna set up a race with him and spank his ass, he won't jump out on me like that. :burnout:

[EE1983]

STi's are 300 to the crank stock, around 235whp.

[EE1983]

i wouldn't pay 30,000 for it - fuck that - i am just saying that they can be quick - quicker than the evos anyway!

Theyre not quicker than EVOs and also EVOs are much easier and cheaper to make fast.

350whp for $2000. Cant do that with STi's.

[ss~zoso~ss]

sure you can

[jomo]

sure you can

No you can not for the same money. And another thing a the EVO V.S STI shoot out the STI guys got killed.:nono:

[ss~zoso~ss]

dude you could get 350 AWDHP out of a STI for 2k i've seen it , its all about what you buy and where you buy it

You could get a boost controller, and a larger turbo for under a grand and that'd put you in that HP range for sure

[EE1983]

dude you could get 350 AWDHP out of a STI for 2k i've seen it , its all about what you buy and where you buy it

You could get a boost controller, and a larger turbo for under a grand and that'd put you in that HP range for sure


I dont know where youre getting that information. You dont just get a larger turbo and throw it on and run high boost. You need a a MINIMUM all proper supporting mods. That includes full exhaust, fuel system, some sort of engine mangement. UTEC and full exhaust alone is near 2000 and that will net you maybe 300whp.

My friend's 05 STi has intake, exhaust, WGA, (fuel injectors or pump) UTEC and is around 310whp. Thats over $2000 and no where near 350. 05+ EVOs just need a full exhaust, cams, FP, and atune and can hit 340-350whp. But I mean if youve seen it, please show me. I understand you can get some things cheaper but nonetheless..

[Jay]

2006 EVO 9 makes around 275awhp/tq stock on a dynojet dyno. A catless turbo back exhaust and engine management is pretty close to 350awhp/tq. Evo can be made faster for cheaper for sure.

[Jay]

I personally made 335awhp/tq with catless turbo back exhaust, mbc, air filter and safcII. That was running stock boost(19 psi) and 91 oct. gas. I would say 350awhp/tq would've been easily accomplished with race gas and bumping up the boost to 22-23psi.

[Mr. CarelessAndImprudent]

All Evos and Stis have is a helluva bang comin' out of the hole. After that it gets real expensive real quick to make big power.

[EE1983]

All Evos and Stis have is a helluva bang comin' out of the hole. After that it gets real expensive real quick to make big power.


What do you consider big power? I consider 350whp for $2000 (2005s and below) pretty good. Also, like someone mentioned above the 2006's are making 350whp with even less. Throw a $500 alcohol kit and that adds another 30-whp. I think that's pretty respectable power per dollar. Anyhow, much more than the STi.

There are a lot of people who have EVOs who dont know what they're doing. People put intercooler pipes and intakes as first mods, in reality its doing nothing, maybe even hurting power. Exhaust, fuel pump, cams, tune is all you need for simple cost effective solid power.

[MikeSomething]

The all mighty Evo Vs. an expensive awesome launch/lag behind after that STi...Dun Dun DuuuuH!!! My friends wanna know how much money to make a regular Lancer spank a STi worse than with a paddle they made from Woodshop??

[jomo]

A car that run's low 13's stock has my respect.
A car that can run on a race track with much more expensive car's is a great car.

There is no argument here one hell of a machine.

Can anyone here name a stock production car for the same price that is as all rounded as the EVO.

[garrettjj]

Nice race man. They are very fun and solid all around performance cars that do many things well. They are worth every bit of their 32K price tag(Ask any owner) and are competitive with many cars costng twice as much. WITH GOOD LAUNCHES they repeatedly hit 0-60 in mid 4's, run low 13s with 101 to 103 traps-and you don't need to be a professional to get those times on the street. There are many STI owners that know how to launch, so the next time it could be different. LS1's are great motors, so I wouldn't expect him to beat you from a roll stock for stock as they trap a little higher than low 100 mph.

[Jay]

With less then $2000, an EVO can run low 12's (either at a prepped track or on the street with regular stock tires) without a sweat. That in my book is a pretty fast street car. I love LS1's but getting it to the ground in the streets, is another story. I've owned LS1's and still miss the rumble of that V8. Nothing will replace that sound. I'm in high altitude land so LS1's aren't much of a match. If I was at sea level, boy, you bet LS1 all the way.

[Raced Guy]

I have owned an evo and now own a c5. My 03 evo stock went 13.4@104 and with an intake, flash, boost controller and exhaust did 12.4@110 and did 300awhp and 318ftlbs on a mustang dyno. The evos and sti's are not cars to take lightly, its just most of the owners we all run into are terrible drivers and could take a 9 second car and make it run 12's. So just a few bolt ons and a good driver and there are very competitive.

[Daz-E]

I own an 04' STi . Stock it has very little turbo lag and is a monster off the line. With a good driver they can yield 13.0-13.2 1/4's stock. With a catless turbo-back it gains roughly 20-25hp alone. MBC don't work well with this car, EM is the way to go .Ecutek,UTEC,Accessport and a tune is a good way to raise boost levels, 18-22psi safely. The stock turbo is only good for about 350whp but by then your running low 12's & high 11's.

I love my STi, I'm glad I got it. It's fun and reliable for just being a 4 cylinder. I look at it this way... For a rally car that they made streetable, it doesn't do bad at all, just as fast or even faster than a lot of cars on the road and can go in the dirt or the twisties.

Its true that the evo can put down big numbers cheaper and easier, but IMO theres a reliablity issue from the start with the evo.

[jAgZ28]

2006 EVO 9 makes around 275awhp/tq stock on a dynojet dyno. arent they well under 300 @ the crank still? how can they make the same at the wheels I think im gonna pull the B.S. card on this statement, they are both good cars but this thread has gone way off topic anyway good kill!!!:drivin:

[Jay]

arent they well under 300 @ the crank still? how can they make the same at the wheels I think im gonna pull the B.S. card on this statement, they are both good cars but this thread has gone way off topic anyway good kill!!!:drivin:

It's called Mitsubishi being underrated. Before you call bs, search the EVOM site first. There are tons of EVO 9's dynoing 270+awhp (dynojet) stock.

[Jay]

Its true that the evo can put down big numbers cheaper and easier, but IMO theres a reliablity issue from the start with the evo.

Please don't spread lies or unknown opinions. The EVO is very reliable.

[Daz-E]

If you look at my post it said IMO-IN MY OPINION, I'm entitled to what I think aren't I ? Don't get me wrong , I like the EVO, its just not for me for that reason, thats the way I feel . So now my opinion is known :yup: .

[tx77015ls1]

a magazine i have said the STI did 13.3@103 or 104

I did 13.3@104 in my 2000 Z28

[nine-eight]

they are a good car imo. i have a friend who had just bought a '04 STi that had a cold air intake and some kind of "tuning" and we decided to go run them a few times. my car is a bone stock '98 with the free cold air mod. we had about three or four 0-100 or so races and a few from a roll. from a dead stop he would constantly pull out to just where my front bumper was even with his back one. right from the launch. hed run right with me almost every time to about 50-60, then id start pulling. by 60-70 id have my rear bumper at his front bumper and by 100 youd have well over a couple car lengths. after running him a few times i got to drive it and found that when im shifting from 2nd to 3rd, he was close to shifting from 3rd to 4th. his car would hit fourth and slow down considerably. i think a lot of the acceleration these cars have is due to gearing and awd out of the hole. it was a blast to drive. the 1-2-3 at full throttle just made you grin. it was fast. it would still pull hard to 140, i took it there. its stable, but the '98 feels much faster at speed 100+. wouldnt want to run against one at an autocross track without stiffening up the camaro, but on a full size track or the street- ill run it every time :burnout:

[Wants an LS1]

You whooped his ass that bad in a z28? i dont wanna know what it would look like in a ss

[Wants an LS1]

A car that run's low 13's stock has my respect.
A car that can run on a race track with much more expensive car's is a great car.

There is no argument here one hell of a machine.

Can anyone here name a stock production car for the same price that is as all rounded as the EVO.

The 2003-04 cobras, lacking AWD but they do have IRS and DO run 12.4s in the best of the best driver scenrios. And in all fairness, i will always fear a KB cobra then any hotted up bigger turbo Mitsu, not that im sayin id be fear less to the mitsu.

[nine-eight]

You whooped his ass that bad in a z28? i dont wanna know what it would look like in a ss


well, in all fairness, he had the car for two weeks, and i had mine for 8 months or so at the time. that, and i think i run my car harder than most people. thank shifter carts and a run it to hell mentality.

[jomo]

The 2003-04 cobras, lacking AWD but they do have IRS and DO run 12.4s in the best of the best driver scenrios. And in all fairness, i will always fear a KB cobra then any hotted up bigger turbo Mitsu, not that im sayin id be fear less to the mitsu.


Hot Rod Magazine January 2004 had a shootout with a STI and SC Cobra and they ran them quarter mile Mustang 13.30 at 109mph 60ft 2.25 (altitude corrected) STI 13.29 at 100.5mph 60ft 1.8 (altitude corrected).
Road course 1:22.7 Mustang STI 1:21.0. Streets of Willow road course.

They also said in a street race that its traction disadvantage it would probably lose too. I think that after the quater mile that the Mustang would just run it down or on a roll on that it would get STI too.

I have never seen or anyone talk about a stock 2003-2004 Cobra run 12.4 with stock radials.

[SeVeReDiStOrTiOn]

You whooped his ass that bad in a z28? i dont wanna know what it would look like in a ss
Dude a Z and a SS are the same frickin car....same motor..drivetrain...everything. All the SS has is some suspension tweaks, an appearance package and a slightly less restrictive exhaust. I get the same shit at work.."too bad it's not as fast as a SS"....damn people and their lack of knowledge and/or willingness to learn. I'm not trying to bust your balls...just lettin ya know:)

[Daz-E]

I ran against a 98+ Z28 from a roll coming out the west gate at Edwards AFB in Lancaster. We were even until I hit 3rd, I started to pull slightly and he just shut it down. I think he would have had me at around 100mph or so.

I have beat LT1's before with no problem ! My sister-in-laws ex-boyfriend(96 Corvette w/auto) and 2 other LT1 Z28's(1 had some mods). I got my booty handed to me by a modded 2000 SS. I was wooping his buddies(2 LT1's) and he pulled up next to me(while this was in process)and was jumping his car as to say when are going to go, but already was, I was like :notworthy: . I'm stock, but even if I had the typical modds he would spanked me !

[EE1983]

The 2003-04 cobras, lacking AWD but they do have IRS and DO run 12.4s in the best of the best driver scenrios. And in all fairness, i will always fear a KB cobra then any hotted up bigger turbo Mitsu, not that im sayin id be fear less to the mitsu.

The guy said:
"name a stock production car for the same price that is as all rounded as the EVO"

The 2003-2004 Cobras are FAR from well-rounded. EVO kills it in handling, cornering, braking, gas mileage. Not to mention, it has 4 doors and AWD for all types of weather conditions.

Cobras have a nice power advantage (and incredible power potential). I dont see that being a contender against the EVO in a "well-rounded" category do you? :)

[blue02Z]

Dude a Z and a SS are the same frickin car....same motor..drivetrain...everything. All the SS has is some suspension tweaks, an appearance package and a slightly less restrictive exhaust. I get the same shit at work.."too bad it's not as fast as a SS"....damn people and their lack of knowledge and/or willingness to learn. I'm not trying to bust your balls...just lettin ya know:)
:yup: :yup: Right after I got my car a guy I went to school with told me I was a dumbass for gettin the Z instead of the SS. After I explained the diff. he still didn't get it.:shots:

[cam02ss]

i ran an STI a couple of months back...got on the on ramp behind me, floored it, tried to do a fly by... i downshifted, stopped his roll and killed him bad. next we started from a slower roll..i went from 2nd. i dunno what he gear he started in but it was the same result..he lost badly

[CamaroKillZ28]

I have never seen an evo pull off 12s at a track, maybe thats just the people around here driving it, but i have heard of 1 ya 1 evo here in bakersfield that runs in the 12s. Ive seen an evo with exhaust and boost controller get spanked by a stock a4 ls1. sorry i just do not like import drivers (id have an evo for my dd, but thats it)

[EE1983]

I have never seen an evo pull off 12s at a track, maybe thats just the people around here driving it, but i have heard of 1 ya 1 evo here in bakersfield that runs in the 12s. Ive seen an evo with exhaust and boost controller get spanked by a stock a4 ls1. sorry i just do not like import drivers (id have an evo for my dd, but thats it)

Well if theres only 1 around, I guess its no suprise there arent really any fast ones being... there are none around. They're mid 13 second cars stock. The 2005-06s hit low 13s stock. Theres actually been a couple guys with bone stock 2006s hit 12s stock!

Soo.. I guess youve seen stock ones with bad drivers? :dunno: Oh well, to each his own.

[zz502]

sti's are pretty quick

[Maroz28]

sad that this turned into a boost theory thread.... anyone who is up in PDX should head out to AutoX or the drags this spring and look me up.

[cmadams4]

A car as well rounded as a Evo... how about a '89 Ford Tempo.

Come now... Evo's are a piece of crap econo box with (I admit) a o.k. engine. Do those big spoilers actually work, or do they just add 50 LBS. of plastic to the rear?

Second, How long are these cars going to run at +20 LBS. boost? I don't 'get' imports and I hope I never do. Honestly the money these poeple spend to make their cars run as slow as ours!

[EE1983]

A car as well rounded as a Evo... how about a '89 Ford Tempo.


Come now... Evo's are a piece of crap econo box with (I admit) a o.k. engine. Do those big spoilers actually work, or do they just add 50 LBS. of plastic to the rear?

Second, How long are these cars going to run at +20 LBS. boost? I don't 'get' imports and I hope I never do. Honestly the money these poeple spend to make their cars run as slow as ours!

Good joke :thinkin: Thats funny, I dont think Ford Tempos ran mid 13s, pulled .94s on skidpads, 70mph slaloms and 111ft 0-60 braking. :lol:

I was expecting an "j/k" in there, but I didnt get it. If you are serious with what you just said, you are THE most dim-whitted person Ive seen on this boards. Im not going to try to enlighten you too much because gauging this post of yours, you seem pretty thick headed but Ill try.

You know EVOs run mid 13's stock right? You know the EVO9s (2006) have run 12.90s stock. My car made 346whp with $1900 in mods. Wow thats weak right...

The fact you said how long can they run 20psi of boost. Well hmm, you must have been locked in a closet to not know the 4G63 engine has been around for decades now and it can handle it just fine. Its not an aluminum block with high compression. You know most of the guys running 8s run 40 to 56psi :yup: Thats just o.k. though right? :thinkin:

Why dont you use some of your free time to sharpen up your knowledge of other vehicles instead of "assuming" things like an EVO is an econobox with an engine in it. Its in fact much, much more. The only thing it does share with the Econobox is the interior and frame, however of course the frame was made 40% stiffer. Just about every other part including suspension design, body parts, engine, drivetrain, brakes, wheels, etc are completely different. Put it this way, a Camaro V6 is much closer to the Z28 than the Lancer is to the EVO. Thats an engine transplant. Hopefully youre not completely retarded and can understand some of this. Oh and the wing actually provides a healthy amount of downforce above 60mph and it's carbon fiber so it weighs less than 10lbs. Remember these cars werent just made for straight lines.

I dont care if you like them or not, thats a personal opinion and everyone is entitled to it. However, the doltish statements you made are indeed fallacious and flat out retarded. :Popcorn:

[jking]

Hot Rod Magazine January 2004 had a shootout with a STI and SC Cobra and they ran them quarter mile Mustang 13.30 at 109mph 60ft 2.25 (altitude corrected) STI 13.29 at 100.5mph 60ft 1.8 (altitude corrected).
Road course 1:22.7 Mustang STI 1:21.0. Streets of Willow road course.

They also said in a street race that its traction disadvantage it would probably lose too. I think that after the quater mile that the Mustang would just run it down or on a roll on that it would get STI too.

I have never seen or anyone talk about a stock 2003-2004 Cobra run 12.4 with stock radials.


Evan Smith ran a 12.43 @ 113.

our best-ever 12.43/113 in a stock '03 Cobra

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0308mm_hollywood/

His test are usually a hell of a lot more indicative of a car's potential than some idiot who is sliding out of the hole with a 2.25 60.

Lots of stock Cobra's run mid 12's at Houston Raceway.

I talked to a guy one cool night who was running 12.20's on DR's with an otherwise stock car.

[Wants an LS1]

Yea, the 03-04 cobras are nasty, took a blower to beat the LS1, but damn, what an effective method

[cmadams4]

Wow, EE1983 guy, pretty defensive about your car, I see this is a sore spot with you.

:Poke: Yeah, I was bored, getting you import guys reved up can be very entertaining. I dont' know much about Evos, yeah you got me there, but then I couldn't be bothered to either. That is why I hang out at LS1/F-body forums and not Evo/import forums.

Then anybody with half a brain (I am assuming you have half a brain) would see the fun in my tempo/evo comparison. I was not comparing performance numbers (obvious), rather styling. The whole look is zzzzzz...snore...zzzzzzz.

Honestly, whenever I see an evo on the street, I expect at any moment 20 clowns are going to jump out.

Calling me a retard... ouch, that was mean. Well... you are a poopy-head, so there!

Sorry to jack this thread guys.

[EE1983]

Wow, EE1983 guy, pretty defensive about your car, I see this is a sore spot with you.

:Poke: Yeah, I was bored, getting you import guys reved up can be very entertaining. I dont' know much about Evos, yeah you got me there, but then I couldn't be bothered to either. That is why I hang out at LS1/F-body forums and not Evo/import forums.

Then anybody with half a brain (I am assuming you have half a brain) would see the fun in my tempo/evo comparison. I was not comparing performance numbers (obvious), rather styling. The whole look is zzzzzz...snore...zzzzzzz.

Honestly, whenever I see an evo on the street, I expect at any moment 20 clowns are going to jump out.

Calling me a retard... ouch, that was mean. Well... you are a poopy-head, so there!

Sorry to jack this thread guys.

Im no more defensive than anyone else would be about their car. I think thats fair to say. Like I said before, I dont care if you like them or not, if you hate them, cool.

As for your witty comparison with the Tempo... you say you were referring to styling.. well no one was talking about styling, we were talking about performance, why would you change the subject and assume we know?

Clowns jumping out... :slap: bro, these desperate attempts of trying to be comical are getting pretty weak. I dont doubt there can be some tools driving EVOs but that could be said for any car, including LS1s. There is obviously no personality prerequisite to own a certain type of car.

I dont mean to call names, and Ive been called a poopy head before so Im not offended :yup: however, I just dont like ignorance and based upon your intial thread response, I had to reply.