Props from an Evolution

[Too Fast]

Not a kill, too much traffic. I haven't driven Too Fast much lately, but the roads were dry today so I did. Anyway, I was having fun making noise in 1st, 2nd gears etc. when I spotted a Mistu Evolution. We weaved a couple lanes going thru traffic and then I had a clear spot on his right, so when the light turned green I left a little slow then mashed it in 1st gear into second, fishtailing. The next light we talked a little and the first thing out of his mouth was "That thing sounds suwheet!" I gave him a compliment on his Lancer Evo and said he would get better traction than I today.

One day when this happens again I think I'll see if the other driver wants to talk about each others' cars and see if we would go for a short ride in the others car. I much prefer V8 RWD cars, but have respect for any quick car no matter how the power gets to the ground. Today would have been perfect for this, I had no time table on my way to Home Depot for some small shelving for the house (to put up a couple trophies I won from drag racing in Muncie IN).

[SS02]

Props from the rice crowd is rare!!!

[KyleLs1]

One day when this happens again I think I'll see if the other driver wants to talk about each others' cars and see if we would go for a short ride in the others car. I much prefer V8 RWD cars, but have respect for any quick car no matter how the power gets to the ground. Today would have been perfect for this, I had no time table on my way to Home Depot for some small shelving for the house (to put up a couple trophies I won from drag racing in Muncie IN).

shouldn't get in cars with strangers..... no matter how much candy they have

[Too Fast]

shouldn't get in cars with strangers..... no matter how much candy they have

Ha.........I have more candy than they do!:ar:

[adam3566]

Props from the rice crowd is rare!!!

An evo is about as far from rice as an import goes.

[Superluminal]

An evo is about as far from rice as an import goes.

Really? Don't these cars come with big wings and flashy ground effects, like the Subaru STI.

[side2000]

i think sti's are as far from "rice" as ricers go. sti's are actually real nice rally cars w/ top mount intercoolers and more power to rear wheels. evo's are what the ricer kids want who think they "dominate the street". don't get me wrong, any of 'em who buy awd cars and put sticky street tires on and think it's the baddest thing on the street is a ricer. . . . .but if i was rich i would definately have a built sti w/ fucked up paint and dirt tires.

[adam3566]

i think sti's are as far from "rice" as ricers go. sti's are actually real nice rally cars w/ top mount intercoolers and more power to rear wheels. evo's are what the ricer kids want who think they "dominate the street". don't get me wrong, any of 'em who buy awd cars and put sticky street tires on and think it's the baddest thing on the street is a ricer. . . . .but if i was rich i would definately have a built sti w/ fucked up paint and dirt tires.

I know two local guys that have evo's and neither one is close to rice. One uses it as a DD and the other is his weekend toy. The one that has it for a weekend toy is around 500-550hp (pretty sure). Everyone likes something different. An evo is deffinitly a nicer car than an STI. Ride commfort is much better and the quality is deffinitly in the EVO's favor.

[side2000]

you're all about ride quality and comfort, i'm about function. i couldn't care less which one rode better, sti's are designed to be driven in dirt. ride quality was on the bottom of list for engineers at subaru. "but side2000 they designed it to be comfortable" - -they did so only to market the car, it was still on the bottom of their list. sti > evo for rally.

[adam3566]

you're all about ride quality and comfort, i'm about function. i couldn't care less which one rode better, sti's are designed to be driven in dirt. ride quality was on the bottom of list for engineers at subaru. "but side2000 they designed it to be comfortable" - -they did so only to market the car, it was still on the bottom of their list. sti > evo for rally.

Yeah because I have seen SOO many sti's and evo's in the mud or dirt that are actually owned by someone. Unless they are sponsered they usually aren't. STI's are piles of crap, period. Both are designed to be driven in the mud/dirt/snow whatever you want to offroad. But again very few owners actually do.

[Too Fast]

Yeah because I have seen SOO many sti's and evo's in the mud or dirt that are actually owned by someone. Unless they are sponsered they usually aren't. STI's are piles of crap, period. Both are designed to be driven in the mud/dirt/snow whatever you want to offroad. But again very few owners actually do.

Just like when was the last time you saw a Range Rover off road? Besides "Mutual of Omaha African Safari"? Not saying an Evo is in the same league as a RR, wait a minute, I've worked on both, I'd have to say the Evo is a much higher quality product than any Land Rover ha ah ha ha!:Puke:

[hutch1999]

AWD would be sweet in the snow, like ive got on the roads today.

[01 T/A]

Just like when was the last time you saw a Range Rover off road? Besides "Mutual of Omaha African Safari"? Not saying an Evo is in the same league as a RR, wait a minute, I've worked on both, I'd have to say the Evo is a much higher quality product than any Land Rover ha ah ha ha!:Puke:

that is a fact rr just sucked. after a few we started just sending them out to the rr dealer to get worked on. as far as the evo i like them and the sti but evo over sti any day for me. im a nissan fan so im not much help on that.

[side2000]

Yeah because I have seen SOO many sti's and evo's in the mud or dirt that are actually owned by someone. Unless they are sponsered they usually aren't. STI's are piles of crap, period. Both are designed to be driven in the mud/dirt/snow whatever you want to offroad. But again very few owners actually do.

havin a car and not usin it for its purpose = rice.

[adam3566]

Just like when was the last time you saw a Range Rover off road? Besides "Mutual of Omaha African Safari"? Not saying an Evo is in the same league as a RR, wait a minute, I've worked on both, I'd have to say the Evo is a much higher quality product than any Land Rover ha ah ha ha!:Puke:

Agreed! I have heard so many problems with them, I can't believe people buy them.

[4tun8]

Props from the rice crowd is rare!!!


About as rare as props from the domestic crowd.

[camaromanz28]

i have a friend with an 03 evo8, thing is amazing and fast. there are to many sti's where i'm from. as far as i know there are only 3-4 evos out here. stock fro stock the evo beats the sti anyday of the week. both are not even close to rice. they are more like muscle cars of japan

[Wesman]

Yeah because I have seen SOO many sti's and evo's in the mud or dirt that are actually owned by someone. Unless they are sponsered they usually aren't. STI's are piles of crap, period. Both are designed to be driven in the mud/dirt/snow whatever you want to offroad. But again very few owners actually do.

STI's are piles of crap??

So what does that make the Evo, considering the STI has about 10 times the build quality and reliability of the Evo??

[hutch1999]

i see this one getting locked soon...

[km346]

I would not call the STI or the Evo rice. I have respect for Japanese sports cars, In the right hands they can be stylish and pretty fast. when i think rice i think of some little economical Japanese car that has a body kit/ wing and loud exhaust. Then they somehow think its fast.

[adam3566]

STI's are piles of crap??

So what does that make the Evo, considering the STI has about 10 times the build quality and reliability of the Evo??

Please go back living under your rock were you came from. And yes the STI is 10 times and reliability and crappier than an evo in build quality. Read your facts before running your mouth like you do in every import thread. You should just be banned period.

[adam3566]

I would not call the STI or the Evo rice. I have respect for Japanese sports cars, In the right hands they can be stylish and pretty fast. when i think rice i think of some little economical Japanese car that has a body kit/ wing and loud exhaust. Then they somehow think its fast.

Thank you. At least we can appreciate other vehicles and different brands and styles.

[Wesman]

Please go back living under your rock were you came from. And yes the STI is 10 times and reliability and crappier than an evo in build quality. Read your facts before running your mouth like you do in every import thread. You should just be banned period.

I've driven, ridden in, and worked on both. STI is a bitch to work on but at least its not built like a shitty base model lancer like the Evo is.

I don't like EITHER car particularly, so I don't see how you can call my opinion biased. I'm just calling it like I see it, and the STI is the much better built car out of the two. Simple as that.

Banned?? After that post, you shouldn't even be entitled to a ban, your account should just be deleted.

[adam3566]

I've driven, ridden in, and worked on both. STI is a bitch to work on but at least its not built like a shitty base model lancer like the Evo is.

I don't like EITHER car particularly, so I don't see how you can call my opinion biased. I'm just calling it like I see it, and the STI is the much better built car out of the two. Simple as that.

Banned?? After that post, you shouldn't even be entitled to a ban, your account should just be deleted.

Comming from the guy with 4/4 infractions? Iv been in both myself and the STI was terrible! The evo X is a complete crap, yes. But the 8's and 9's are amazing and way better than the boxster motor. You ask enough people and 8 of 10 would say the STI is inferior to the EVO for build quality and performance.

[95camaroZNC]

Erm i dont hate on Imports really, its all that around here, the domestic crowd is a bunch of douches if their kids but if their adults their pretty cool. To prove my point i was riding in my friends Stock tC and this kid in a trans am pulls up next to us, it was a LT1 car, and it was really quiet. Anyway, he sees me look over at his car and does a burn out in traffic and almost hits the car infront of em.

I never, ever , catch anything from the imports around here, they dont give me any flack but mustangs, other domestics do. I dont get it.

[SS02]

An evo is about as far from rice as an import goes.

Stop smokin crack.... EVO=Rice!!!
U born under a rock?

[SS02]

I love all cars... but EVO is Rice!
Stop the drugs....

[adam3566]

Stop smokin crack.... EVO=Rice!!!
U born under a rock?

Great comments! Glad our educational system worked our great for you, and found you a job at Mcdonalds!

[SS02]

Great comments! Glad our educational system worked our great for you, and found you a job at Mcdonalds!

It is so hard to take you serious, after all you wrong replies!
Your comment is so very wrong about the Evo. If your only
on this site to be an @ss and be rude the please go away!

This is a LS1 polite site, not sure that you belong?

Dude, Ur smack is not cool!
No more responding to your bull, good luck with your attitude!

[Too Fast]

I would not call the STI or the Evo rice. I have respect for Japanese sports cars, In the right hands they can be stylish and pretty fast. when i think rice i think of some little economical Japanese car that has a body kit/ wing and loud exhaust. Then they somehow think its fast.

Agreed!

[Too Fast]

About as rare as props from the domestic crowd.

Hey I gave this guy a thumbs up before we said anything.

He was looking at me thru his rear view mirrior because he knew we were both having a little fun in traffic.

No he wasn't ahead of me because we raced and he won, LOL!

[side2000]

Great comments! Glad our educational system worked our great for you, and found you a job at Mcdonalds!

considering how terrible your spelling and grammar is i wouldn't bash someones education. lets keep it to cars. . .bashin someone personally is for ricers. :ar:

[Raptor285]

Nice fishtailing run to the OP, lol. It's always nice to get a cool person that would rather compliment your ride over degrading it. Not too many of those people around here, sadly.

havin a car and not usin it for its purpose = rice.

I don't use my car to get groceries...well sometimes I do. I wouldn't consider my car rice by any means. What about that TT and sprayed Chevy Truck that was running 10's a while back, that was rice?

Oh and STI's and EVO's can be rice, but I wouldn't consider the majority of them to be...hell you can even rice out a Cavalier, although I wouldn't recommend it lol :kick:

[side2000]

Nice fishtailing run to the OP, lol. It's always nice to get a cool person that would rather compliment your ride over degrading it. Not too many of those people around here, sadly.



I don't use my car to get groceries...well sometimes I do. I wouldn't consider my car rice by any means. What about that TT and sprayed Chevy Truck that was running 10's a while back, that was rice?
Oh and STI's and EVO's can be rice, but I wouldn't consider the majority of them to be...hell you can even rice out a Cavalier, although I wouldn't recommend it lol :kick:

if he pulls his trailers with it, or uses the bed for somethin then nah. aint rice. if it was a truck sittin in his yard that he decided to do somethin with 'cuz it's there, ill give him a pass on that. my 12 sec DD farm truck not rice either

-also sounds like that guy built a motor and put a chassis around it. not rice when it's a SBC (assuming it's SB).

[adam3566]

It is so hard to take you serious, after all you wrong replies!
Your comment is so very wrong about the Evo. If your only
on this site to be an @ss and be rude the please go away!

This is a LS1 polite site, not sure that you belong?

Dude, Ur smack is not cool!
No more responding to your bull, good luck with your attitude!

Never started anything with you. Your the one that started running your mouth. I highly doubt your actually 41 somehow. I'm 37 and not many of my friends or neighbors ever talk like you do. But anyways back to cars!

[adam3566]

Nice fishtailing run to the OP, lol. It's always nice to get a cool person that would rather compliment your ride over degrading it. Not too many of those people around here, sadly.



I don't use my car to get groceries...well sometimes I do. I wouldn't consider my car rice by any means. What about that TT and sprayed Chevy Truck that was running 10's a while back, that was rice?

Oh and STI's and EVO's can be rice, but I wouldn't consider the majority of them to be...hell you can even rice out a Cavalier, although I wouldn't recommend it lol :kick:

Yeah you can make anything rice. I have seen mustangs. camaro's, hell even a couple vettes online that were pathetic attempts of being "cool". Kinda sad what people thing is good looking sometimes. I know everyone enjoys a little something different, but come on. Enough is enough when you get the huge ass spoilers that serve no purpose or the gaudy ass tail lights that I seen on half the people 20 and under in their imports/domestics even.

[1 RedHot TransAm]

oh, the drama :)

[Wesman]

Stop smokin crack.... EVO=Rice!!!
U born under a rock?

Exactly. Its the epitomy of Japanese styling. Tacky body kits, huge wings, air dams, sideways fart cans, ect. Thats what the japanese think looks nice on a performance car, I don't see why he is arguing with the known facts.

The Evo and STi are the epitomy of rice. Rice doesn't mean it is slow or doesn't perform as it looks, rice just describes japanese cars like the Evo and sti. Thats where the term originated, and it got blown out of proportion in the 90's with the Honda tuning scence, all of sudden everything was rice, but it goes back to the idea of japanese styling and design.

[flash]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rice

1. rice 758 up, 158 down
An automobile that has been equipped with gawdy, unnesecary accessories, such as 3' high spoilers, loud and/or repulsive paint job and body work. Owners of such automobiles feel that these accessories make their car the best in the world, when in fact it is not.
That Prelude over there is nice, but this here Civic ain't nothin but a ric mobile
by Penguin4x4 Apr 5, 2003 share this add comment
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Crazy Rice
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2. rice 552 up, 101 down
Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. (R.I.C.E.)Parts put on cars to make them look fast, when they have no internal tuning, and are actually slow as hell. Parts usually consist of excessivley angular bodykits, large rear spoilers, neon, sponsor stickers, chrome rims, fake "coffee can" exhaust tips, and loud, annoying paint jobs and/or vynils. Sometimes parts are do-it-yourself installed and are basically duct taped to the car. Most commonly known for being done to Honda Civics, but can also be done to slow domestic vehicles, such as a Chevy Cavalier, etc.
"Yo dog, did you see the Civic that guy was rollin' in? it was so rice."

"This guy's got nothin' under the hood, it's just rice. Smoke him."

"What a riceboy, I bet he thinks his neon adds 50 bhp!"
by Dusk Coffee Dec 20, 2004 share this add comment
3. rice 472 up, 187 down
v. To take a shitty jap car, add some Vtech stickers, spoiler, and fuck up the camber.
I just spent $12000 ricing up a $8000 piece of shit

[Cayenne97]

Man I must be getting old, because the term "rice" obviously has a new meaning today. I'm 27 now, and when I was about 14-15 is when the word first came about, as a spin-off of the term "rice rocket". The original definition was any import car that was dressed with a fart can muffler, any type of graphics on the exterior, a big wing, any and all cheesy exterior mods, racing seats, lots of gauges, fire extinguisher...basically a whole bunch of crap piled on on top of an import. It didn't have anything to do with the build quality or how well that car lived up to it's purpose for being produced. A WRX/STI, EVO, Civic, Integra... and so on, are all "rice" like it or not!

[Wesman]

Man I must be getting old, because the term "rice" obviously has a new meaning today. I'm 27 now, and when I was about 14-15 is when the word first came about, as a spin-off of the term "rice rocket". The original definition was any import car that was dressed with a fart can muffler, any type of graphics on the exterior, a big wing, any and all cheesy exterior mods, racing seats, lots of gauges, fire extinguisher...basically a whole bunch of crap piled on on top of an import. It didn't have anything to do with the build quality or how well that car lived up to it's purpose for being produced. A WRX/STI, EVO, Civic, Integra... and so on, are all "rice" like it or not!

Nice to see someone who was around to know the true definiton of the word "rice".

Amazing how people have tried to modify the definition to suite their own agendas. If you drive a car like an Evo, of course you don't want people calling your car rice, so you make up another definion for the word that you think doesn't fit your car. Too bad you're not fooling anyone. Welcome to Urban dictionary, where ricers write their own definitions of rice to suite themselves, not what the word actually means.

[side2000]

well, i know the "stock" version of the word- - -i.e. big wings, muffler cans, etc. . . .and my "modded" version extends to anything that anyone thinks is "the baddest thing on the street" that is not. - - -in a nutshell.

[Cayenne97]

:yup:Amazing how people have tried to modify the definition to suite their own agendas. If you drive a car like an Evo, of course you don't want people calling your car rice, so you make up another definion for the word that you think doesn't fit your car. Too bad you're not fooling anyone. Welcome to Urban dictionary, where ricers write their own definitions of rice to suite themselves, not what the word actually means.

Agreed.

[4tun8]

Rice was coined from crotch rockets. People used to call them Rice Rockets. It came from there, but the word has been bastardized beyond belief. It is considered by many to be a derogatory term.

In 1983 if I called a Camaro or a Mustang a Mullet Mobile it probably wouldn't mean jack, now though? Same type of thing I guess.

Either way any thread on this site about the STi/Evo always turns into a hater fest, mostly by people who are still stuck in the 13s, don't race regularly, and are otherwise not hip to the game. Unless you've been hiding under a rock the last 3 years you'd know there are really only a handful of cars that anyone cares about anymore.

z06/supra/terminator/evo/sti

If you're not racing against one, or racing one, no one really cares.

[SVG210]

I would not call the STI or the Evo rice. I have respect for Japanese sports cars, In the right hands they can be stylish and pretty fast. when i think rice i think of some little economical Japanese car that has a body kit/ wing and loud exhaust. Then they somehow think its fast.

I wouldnt call an Evo or STI sport cars they are mostly rally cars, which as fore stated. A japanese sports cars would be the 240's and the 300zx or the rare and heavy VR4. Other than that, a nice car that properly tuned, and fixed, deserves some props. I would also prefer an Evo or an STI aswell

[Wesman]

Rice was coined from crotch rockets. People used to call them Rice Rockets. It came from there, but the word has been bastardized beyond belief. It is considered by many to be a derogatory term.

Rice rockets and riceburners are not the same thing. People called asian bikes rice rockets, and asian cars riceburners. Not that hard to understand.

Either way any thread on this site about the STi/Evo always turns into a hater fest, mostly by people who are still stuck in the 13s, don't race regularly, and are otherwise not hip to the game. Unless you've been hiding under a rock the last 3 years you'd know there are really only a handful of cars that anyone cares about anymore.

Yea, everyone on this forum is stuck in the 13's actually. Your car is so damn fast nobody on here can come close to touching you :ughlaugh:

z06/supra/terminator/evo/sti

If you're not racing against one, or racing one, no one really cares.

Now that is a complete joke.

Out of all the cars in the world, you think people only care about those 5 cars??

And on top of that, you have the nerve to mention the Evo and STi in that select group?? LMAO, only ricers brag about those two cars, which explains your entire post.

[side2000]

Rice was coined from crotch rockets. People used to call them Rice Rockets. It came from there, but the word has been bastardized beyond belief. It is considered by many to be a derogatory term.

In 1983 if I called a Camaro or a Mustang a Mullet Mobile it probably wouldn't mean jack, now though? Same type of thing I guess.

Either way any thread on this site about the STi/Evo always turns into a hater fest, mostly by people who are still stuck in the 13s, don't race regularly, and are otherwise not hip to the game. Unless you've been hiding under a rock the last 3 years you'd know there are really only a handful of cars that anyone cares about anymore.

z06/supra/terminator/evo/sti

If you're not racing against one, or racing one, no one really cares.

i race against all 4, including a myriad of "supercars" (i dont think they're super). i ran in 12's w/ bolt ons, and i run 11's with "road race" suspension. . . .hardly drag friendly. and evo's and sti's are turned into RICE by anyone who slaps some soft tires on and think it's the baddest thing on the street.

as far as f-bodies go- no1 ever really cared about them "mainstream". . . .i have gotten "what the hell is that" or "how the hell did you do that" or "i never knew they could do that" the entire time i owned/raced my car. . . you expose any cornball to an AWD launch and they think they are in the fastest rocket that ever had wheels. after 30 it's like any other rice burner, 'cept it's turnin 4 wheels. . . .

[Wesman]

as far as f-bodies go- no1 ever really cared about them "mainstream". . . .i have gotten "what the hell is that" or "how the hell did you do that" or "i never knew they could do that" the entire time i owned/raced my car. . . you expose any cornball to an AWD launch and they think they are in the fastest rocket that ever had wheels. after 30 it's like any other rice burner, 'cept it's turnin 4 wheels. . . .

Pretty much. Every high school kid and his brother wants an Evo or STI, its basically the latest fad. You know its a fad because the cars don't look nice, they don't sound nice, they are way overpriced, and they do nothing that any other car can't do. But thats what kids these days think are cool, hence the desire to own one. Sad state of affairs we live in these days when a kid's dream car is a 4 cylinder 4 door riceburner that costs $35,000 :rolleyes:

[side2000]

you got the price aspect right. this guy i know drove an evo off the lot for 39 grand a few years ago. i did everything i could to get him a ride in my car before he went 'n did that. needless to say he's open about his shame. when he's had a few drinks he can be convinced to hit some dirt though :)

[Wesman]

you got the price aspect right. this guy i know drove an evo off the lot for 39 grand a few years ago. i did everything i could to get him a ride in my car before he went 'n did that. needless to say he's open about his shame. when he's had a few drinks he can be convinced to hit some dirt though :)

Some people...you just can't reach...lol.

[Too Fast]

you got the price aspect right. this guy i know drove an evo off the lot for 39 grand a few years ago. i did everything i could to get him a ride in my car before he went 'n did that. needless to say he's open about his shame. when he's had a few drinks he can be convinced to hit some dirt though :)

When he's had a few drinks LOL.

[4tun8]

You're right Wesman, I left out a car. The skyline. Woops.

[N20LT4]

Rice was coined from crotch rockets. People used to call them Rice Rockets. It came from there, but the word has been bastardized beyond belief. It is considered by many to be a derogatory term.

In 1983 if I called a Camaro or a Mustang a Mullet Mobile it probably wouldn't mean jack, now though? Same type of thing I guess.

Either way any thread on this site about the STi/Evo always turns into a hater fest, mostly by people who are still stuck in the 13s, don't race regularly, and are otherwise not hip to the game. Unless you've been hiding under a rock the last 3 years you'd know there are really only a handful of cars that anyone cares about anymore.

z06/supra/terminator/evo/sti

If you're not racing against one, or racing one, no one really cares.

Funny. I personally could care less about a damn EVO. Those things are downright ugly, no matter how farty they sound. And I don't think there are too many people here on LS1 stuck in the 13's. Heck, tires and a good driver can get you through that obstacle.

[1 RedHot TransAm]

Rice was coined from crotch rockets. People used to call them Rice Rockets. It came from there, but the word has been bastardized beyond belief. It is considered by many to be a derogatory term.

In 1983 if I called a Camaro or a Mustang a Mullet Mobile it probably wouldn't mean jack, now though? Same type of thing I guess.

Either way any thread on this site about the STi/Evo always turns into a hater fest, mostly by people who are still stuck in the 13s, don't race regularly, and are otherwise not hip to the game. Unless you've been hiding under a rock the last 3 years you'd know there are really only a handful of cars that anyone cares about anymore.

z06/supra/terminator/evo/sti

If you're not racing against one, or racing one, no one really cares.

uhm....your so called list "cars that anyone cares about anymore" is pretty lame, and its even lamer you added your ugly evo to that list, none the less put cars like the z06 and termi in the same list when they are WAAY above your car, i'v never really had a problem with you on this site, but that was some dumb stuff to say.....maybe even the dumbest comment i have herd on this site thus far.....:nono:

[Wesman]

uhm....your so called list "cars that anyone cares about anymore" is pretty lame, and its even lamer you added your ugly evo to that list, none the less put cars like the z06 and termi in the same list when they are WAAY above your car, i'v never really had a problem with you on this site, but that was some dumb stuff to say.....maybe even the dumbest comment i have herd on this site thus far.....:nono:

His post is probably the most arrogant thing I've seen in a long time.

He comes on an F-body site and tells people nobody cares about our cars anymore, only about evos and stis among a very select few others, when he just happens to drive an Evo himself. How ironic, and pathetic, at the same time.

Once a ricer, always a ricer.

[Wesman]

You're right Wesman, I left out a car. The skyline. Woops.

Nobody cares about the Skyline, either.

Wow, a car that looks like every other japanese 2 door coupe ever made, with a whopping 276HP, that gets beat by stock C5 Corvettes. Amazing?? No. The only people that cream their pants over skylines are ricers, its one of the most overhyped cars ever, along with the Supra and Evo.

[Superluminal]

Nobody cares about the Skyline, either.

Wow, a car that looks like every other japanese 2 door coupe ever made, with a whopping 276HP, that gets beat by stock C5 Corvettes. Amazing?? No. The only people that cream their pants over skylines are ricers, its one of the most overhyped cars ever, along with the Supra and Evo.

Let me elaborate on this. The reason it came with 276hp is because the Gentleman's Agreement in Japan limited all production cars to 280hp. With nothing other than an ECU retune Skylines can put more than 280hp to the wheels stock. The iron block RB26DETT that comes with those cars are some of the strongest I6 ever made.

Still 280hp powering 4 wheels, isn't going to beat 300hp C5 powering 2 wheels in a lighter chassis.

..... However..... once the mods start coming, since the car has one of the strongest AWD systems made, you can easily kick butt in those cars. You can get over 600whp without ever lifting the valve cover on the engine (totally stock internals). That's well into the 10s and even the 9s if you race prep the car. Hrmmm..... amazing for not having to do anything to the engine except a turbo upgrade.... maybe not but a C5 doesn't eclipse this car, but that doesn't mean the Skyline is better by any means

I understand your argument was comparing stock cars, but you must understand that in some areas cars are capped and limited in there performance due to rules and regulations.... unlike the US.

It's just a shame that this car is followed by ricers, Nissan fan boys, and gets some of the worst rep.

[Wesman]

Let me elaborate on this. The reason it came with 276hp is because the Gentleman's Agreement in Japan limited all production cars to 280hp. With nothing other than an ECU retune Skylines can put more than 280hp to the wheels stock. The iron block RB26DETT that comes with those cars are some of the strongest I6 ever made.

I don't care about what it puts down with a "ECU retune", which obviously consists of increased boost, modified timing, leaned out fuel trims, ect. Mods are an entirely different ballgame, I'm talking about STOCK cars. What does the Skyline put to the wheels, BONE STOCK?? I'm willing to bet that 276HP, despite the "gentlemen's agreement", is still accurate.

Still 280hp powering 4 wheels, isn't going to beat 300hp C5 powering
2 wheels in a lighter chassis.

Skyline has 276HP. Corvette has 350HP. And they Vette puts more to the wheels because the Skyline is losing about 20% through its AWD system.

And Surprise, the Vette weighs less too. And 04 Vette is 3214lbs, an R34 GT-R is 3395lbs, converted over from kilograms.

Corvette wins.

..... However..... once the mods start coming, since the car has one of the strongest AWD systems made, you can easily kick butt in those cars. You can get over 600whp without ever lifting the valve cover on the engine (totally stock internals). That's well into the 10s and even the 9s if you race prep the car. Hrmmm..... amazing for not having to do anything to the engine except a turbo upgrade.... maybe not but a C5 doesn't eclipse this car, but that doesn't mean the Skyline is better by any means

Guess what else can put down 600HP without lifting a valve cover...the 3800 Series II Supercharged I have sitting in the driveway. With nothing more than a turbo kit it will put down 500+WHP. And this is just your average American V6 engine that was designed back in 1975. Its been doing service for almost 35 years a huge number of GM cars. Guess your Skyline isn't so special anymore, is it??

And despite all your claims of it being a race car, C5 is still a better platform. It weighs less, handles better, sounds (100 times) better, and the drivetrain is better. The C5 doesn't need a clunky AWD system to handle or put power to the ground, hence its rear mounted transaxle, which distributes weight better than a traditional setup. The C5 is the better vehicle in every way, and its no longer even a benchmark for American performance now that the C6 has been out.

[Redegal]

Unless you've been hiding under a rock the last 3 years you'd know there are really only a handful of cars that anyone cares about anymore.

z06/supra/terminator/evo/sti

If you're not racing against one, or racing one, no one really cares.

You left out Turbo Buicks. But I guess that's what makes them good sleepers. :haha:

[Superluminal]

I don't care about what it puts down with a "ECU retune", which obviously consists of increased boost, modified timing, leaned out fuel trims, ect. Mods are an entirely different ballgame, I'm talking about STOCK cars. What does the Skyline put to the wheels, BONE STOCK?? I'm willing to bet that 276HP, despite the "gentlemen's agreement", is still accurate.

Okay if you want to play it that game, how about both the C5 and the Skyline get a "ECU retune" with nothing else done and see who pulls out the most power gains, and why the Skyline is underrated from the factory. Seriously..... I'm going to debate a stock cars performance with you. We all know we're in this hobby to modify, race, and have fun with our cars. I'm telling you very very little needs to be done to get that car over 300whp into stock C5 territory. And with the power gains, the car has no problems getting it down with the AWD. You are so incredibly biased man it's incredible. :screwy:

Skyline has 276HP. Corvette has 350HP. And they Vette puts more to the wheels because the Skyline is losing about 20% through its AWD system.

And Surprise, the Vette weighs less too. And 04 Vette is 3214lbs, an R34 GT-R is 3395lbs, converted over from kilograms.

Corvette wins


Did you read what I said? The car is know to put down 280AWHP stock, and more with a tune, since the car was underrated due to the "Gentleman's Agreement". A C5 Corvette is not putting 350 to the wheels stock. It's the same LS1 that's in the F-body. A manual will put out around 300whp stock, and auto about 280whp. Yes, the Skyline does lose more power to the drivetrain, but it can make up for it with the AWD launch in which the C5 will have the play catch-up at half track. In all, both cars are running low 13s to high 12s with a good driver (I know there are a few freaks out there, but I'm saying your general census of these cars).

Guess what else can put down 600HP without lifting a valve cover...the 3800 Series II Supercharged I have sitting in the driveway. With nothing more than a turbo kit it will put down 500+WHP. And this is just your average American V6 engine that was designed back in 1975. Its been doing service for almost 35 years a huge number of GM cars. Guess your Skyline isn't so special anymore, is it??

Well, that motor has it's roots from the Buick Grand National, when it finally became a decent powerplant. Nothing was really changed other than cheaper internals and that retarded FWD layout. Wesman.... wtf are you doing fooling around with FWD???? There are RB motors that have gone over 200k miles with 500+whp. They are some of the most durable, longest lasting 6 cylinder motors when pelted with modifications. I'm not saying the 3800 Series isn't any good, I'm just saying it's no where in a league of its own. There are much better 6 cylinders out there than some technology from the '70s.

And despite all your claims of it being a race car, C5 is still a better platform. It weighs less, handles better, sounds (100 times) better, and the drivetrain is better. The C5 doesn't need a clunky AWD system to handle or put power to the ground, hence its rear mounted transaxle, which distributes weight better than a traditional setup. The C5 is the better vehicle in every way, and its no longer even a benchmark for American performance now that the C6 has been out.

Did I ever say the Skyline was a race car? You are so ignorant.

"It weighs less, sounds (100 times) better" <---- I agree with that bit.

Handling and drivetrain is better?..... Eh... No... don't think so. Hope you don't have to much wheel hop and crack the rear transaxle.... opps. C5s do handle great. I've driven a couple and they're pretty darn good (way better than an F-body), but I don't see a C5s drivetrain or handling out performing an AWD system unless it's seriously set up to do so (of course you're going to give flak for this, I do understand than many race cars and platform are RWD... I'm just saying in general).

The C5 is not better than the Skyline in every way. It excels in some, and is behind in others. However, just so you don't get your panties in a wad, I will state that I would own a C5 over a Skyline, solely on the availability of parts, 2 seater, simple, V8, and the fantastic look it has.

[adam3566]

Okay if you want to play it that game, how about both the C5 and the Skyline get a "ECU retune" with nothing else done and see who pulls out the most power gains, and why the Skyline is underrated from the factory. Seriously..... I'm going to debate a stock cars performance with you. We all know we're in this hobby to modify, race, and have fun with our cars. I'm telling you very very little needs to be done to get that car over 300whp into stock C5 territory. And with the power gains, the car has no problems getting it down with the AWD. You are so incredibly biased man it's incredible. :screwy:



Did you read what I said? The car is know to put down 280AWHP stock, and more with a tune, since the car was underrated due to the "Gentleman's Agreement". A C5 Corvette is not putting 350 to the wheels stock. It's the same LS1 that's in the F-body. A manual will put out around 300whp stock, and auto about 280whp. Yes, the Skyline does lose more power to the drivetrain, but it can make up for it with the AWD launch in which the C5 will have the play catch-up at half track. In all, both cars are running low 13s to high 12s with a good driver (I know there are a few freaks out there, but I'm saying your general census of these cars).



Well, that motor has it's roots from the Buick Grand National, when it finally became a decent powerplant. Nothing was really changed other than cheaper internals and that retarded FWD layout. Wesman.... wtf are you doing fooling around with FWD???? There are RB motors that have gone over 200k miles with 500+whp. They are some of the most durable, longest lasting 6 cylinder motors when pelted with modifications. I'm not saying the 3800 Series isn't any good, I'm just saying it's no where in a league of its own. There are much better 6 cylinders out there than some technology from the '70s.



Did I ever say the Skyline was a race car? You are so ignorant.

"It weighs less, sounds (100 times) better" <---- I agree with that bit.

Handling and drivetrain is better?..... Eh... No... don't think so. Hope you don't have to much wheel hop and crack the rear transaxle.... opps. C5s do handle great. I've driven a couple and they're pretty darn good (way better than an F-body), but I don't see a C5s drivetrain or handling out performing an AWD system unless it's seriously set up to do so (of course you're going to give flak for this, I do understand than many race cars and platform are RWD... I'm just saying in general).

The C5 is not better than the Skyline in every way. It excels in some, and is behind in others. However, just so you don't get your panties in a wad, I will state that I would own a C5 over a Skyline, solely on the availability of parts, 2 seater, simple, V8, and the fantastic look it has.

Your wasting your breath with wesman. He's the most biased car person I have ever met. Notice how almost everyone that talks to him gets into a debate...

[Superluminal]

Your wasting your breath with wesman. He's the most biased car person I have ever met. Notice how almost everyone that talks to him gets into a debate...

So there is no chance of rehabilitation? :mommy:

[adam3566]

So there is no chance of rehabilitation? :mommy:

Lol not with him most likely.:ar:

[mrr23]

Some people...you just can't reach...lol.

and those are the ones that need to look in a mirror, hint, hint.

wesman banned from thread.