SRT-4???? Did i just get my behind handed to me? [Archive]

first01SS

12-13-2008, 11:27 PM

I have bone stock LS1 A4 camaro, and for some reason i felt like my pedal wasn't working. For some reason i could have sworn i saw my co-worker's SRT4 smoke me by a car-length on the highway. We started at 60 mph, and after putting my foot in the floor, i felt there was an anchor weighing me down. After about 115-120, he had a car length on me. He says "i've got a stock turbo, with a few turbo mods, (injector and tuner). He showed me his tuner, and low and behold, i couldn't beleive it.... a gameboy?? what the heck is that? what do i need (on a reasonable budget) to embarrass this kid. I want to put him several car lengths behind me. I just bought a wet nitrous kit from HSW, that i haven't installed yet. I plan on installing it asap now, at this point, but i feel really terrible that i how to use NOS to just keep up.

squee

12-13-2008, 11:47 PM

Your joking about the Gameboy. Right?

first01SS

12-13-2008, 11:52 PM

I wish, my friend, i were.

https://www.turboneonstore.com/customer/product.php?productid=459

first01SS

12-13-2008, 11:54 PM

I'd never heard of such crap.

JoshieDoom

12-14-2008, 02:32 AM

Do a damn tune up.. first night out with my bone stocker i got destroyed by a stage 2 cobalt SS.

Fuel filter, plugs, wires and a lid make a world of difference.....

first01SS

12-14-2008, 06:09 AM

i feel like my ass was handed to me on a silver platter.

maxwax

12-14-2008, 06:13 AM

If you want to beat him don't start at a 60 mph roll, that gives him the advantage, go from a dig the A-4 works best on the street from a dead stop, his fwd turbo car will just spin.

If he wont go from a dig try this.

Secondly, he has most likely done more street racing than you, so he knows where his car works best, and I am sure his car is a manual trans. so the gear ratios are in his favor, so to beat him at his own game you need to be showing 3,500 to 4,000 in first gear on the tach. when you start the race and shift your car manually at 6,000 into second and continue on until you hit 3rd gear.then that is the speed your car will work best at from a roll. The A-4 cars have a wide split between 1st and second gear, so they are a little sluggish from 60mph especially if you let the car shift on its on.

The good driver mod is the best place to start, get familiar with your car, then go racing, it's cheaper and less embarrassing

Do all the free mods first, then spend some money. just my .02

first01SS

12-14-2008, 08:22 AM

Yeah, he claims that he "spins 1-3 gear" from a dead stop. That's why he doesn't like to race from a dead stop, but rather a roll...

ksstamp09

12-14-2008, 09:19 AM

i raced a SRT-4 too, said he had a buncha mods with a upgraded turbo, maybe he was js talkin bout all the mopar stickers lol.. but i killed him from a red light at least two an a half car lenghts. id say plugs, wires, etc. too... it'll make a noticeable difference.. an gettin used to the car is a deff too.

squee

12-14-2008, 10:07 AM

I wish, my friend, i were.

https://www.turboneonstore.com/customer/product.php?productid=459

Yeah, he claims that he "spins 1-3 gear" from a dead stop. That's why he doesn't like to race from a dead stop, but rather a roll...

Thats actually pretty cool. *goes to find old GBA*

If its slightly modded, I don't doubt that it'll spin through 3rd really...Those cars can make some serious power real easy. Hell, my grandpaws PT Cruiser (GT with the HO turbo) will spin them all the way through 1st and 2nd and into 3rd and its an auto with only a Borla exhaust and CAI.

first01SS

12-14-2008, 10:39 AM

so are you telling me that my beloved camaro is garbage and i should have bought an srt-4?

squee

12-14-2008, 11:08 AM

so are you telling me that my beloved camaro is garbage and i should have bought an srt-4?

No...Otherwise I would have a SRT-4 and not a SS...I am saying that 500whp isn't unheard of with those cars though.

ksstamp09

12-14-2008, 12:18 PM

yeah he could have alot more mods than he's telling you.

hutch1999

12-14-2008, 03:22 PM

a4s as stated above are terrible for a highway roll race. Try again to run him from a dead stop, if that doesnt work fun him from a lot lower speed. Practice.

first01SS

12-14-2008, 08:57 PM

I installed my N20 plate today. I plan on installing the solinoids later tonight.. Somehow I think 175 extra horsepower will make a difference....

ebdboudreaux

12-14-2008, 09:45 PM

I had an 04 srt-4 about 3 years ago... and they respond quite well with just a few mods... I had mine running 13.38 at the track with just a BC, wastegate, intake, exhaust, and tune... don't be too surprised...

but yea, from a dead stop you should light him up without a problem....

01ws6er

12-14-2008, 09:49 PM

I installed my N20 plate today. I plan on installing the solinoids later tonight.. Somehow I think 175 extra horsepower will make a difference....

For gods sake go 150 and get a tune and colder plugs!!!

Superluminal

12-14-2008, 09:54 PM

On stock turbo some of these SRT-4 guys run up to 22psi of boost. This is good for close to or above 300whp and torque and well into the 12s in the quarter.

Assuming you don't already have bolt ons.... get those. Get a nice stall and a 125-150 dry shot. You should have no problem taking car of a stock turbo SRT-4 with that, even from a roll with a A4.

ebdboudreaux

12-14-2008, 10:42 PM

There are quite a few srt4's putting down 400+ fwhp on a STOCK turbo, with NO nitrous... just adding...

first01SS

12-15-2008, 06:36 AM

I just can't believe i'm having to go through all this trouble to beat 4 gerbils with air shoved down their throat.

1 RedHot TransAm

12-15-2008, 06:46 AM

I destroyed a black one that came up on my ass at about a 45mph roll, dunno what he had done to it but it was huff'in and making all sorts of noise I lined up with him 2 or 3 times at the same mph and kept gett'in him, and all I have is a a4,exaust,lid w/k&n and stock 3.23 gears, on the other hand I had a silver one burn me from a dig...

Midnight02

12-15-2008, 07:17 AM

Those "gerbils" can manage to breathe pretty well! HAHA!

Two simple fixes:

1. Run him from a dig with your current setup -- should be MUCH closer (considering that you ran him right in his sweet spot).

2. Finish that N2O install -- a 100 shot at a roll will make a HUGE difference.

Alternatively, if you're really looking to have some fun, slap a stall and some gears in that A4 and you should start to close the gap a bit on a roll race.

One_Bad_TA

12-15-2008, 07:39 AM

I raced a stage 2 srt4 with a freshly rebuilt engine(guy blew up the last one lol). From a 50 roll to only 110-115. I was a completely stock m6 with 105k and it was dead even. If we went to 130+ I def would have put multiple lengths on him

hutch1999

12-15-2008, 07:41 AM

just practice, you shouldnt need to do anything to beat him from a dig if you practice your launches

first01SS

12-15-2008, 08:42 AM

Help me if i'm wrong here, but, if i'm already driving at 60mph, in D (not OD), what else can i do to launch other than stomp on the gas?

hutch1999

12-15-2008, 08:54 AM

Help me if i'm wrong here, but, if i'm already driving at 60mph, in D (not OD), what else can i do to launch other than stomp on the gas?

dont race at 60mph in a stock a4

first01SS

12-15-2008, 12:17 PM

Okay; I know i'm asking for it.. but: why?

squee

12-15-2008, 02:10 PM

Okay; I know i'm asking for it.. but: why?

Its already been said by someone, but its probably the worst range for a A4, especially a stock one, where as its perfect for him. Try something like from 20 if you have to go from a role.

ebdboudreaux

12-15-2008, 02:29 PM

Yea at 60mph a SRT4 is just getting into 3rd gear, it's prime....

emoFTW

12-15-2008, 02:51 PM

yes gameboy advanced can be converted to be used as a tunning device.

first01SS

12-15-2008, 03:37 PM

Talk about insult to injury.. When I saw that, I almost traded my car in the next day for a Z06 :-)

tegaman111

12-15-2008, 05:23 PM

do not b 2 mad! he just beat u by a car length in your stock car. with just the free mods u would get him. if u get stall and nitrous install u would murder him!! remember once u mod and start racing it all a money pit from there!

first01SS

12-16-2008, 08:39 AM

Naah, in the grand scheme of things, i ain't mad. At the end of the day, win or loose, i'll be driving an american revolution; T-Top, chick magnet. He'll be driving a loud a** neon. It was only embarrassing because i talked so much smack at our workplace before we raced. He said he's changing out his turbo in a few weeks. Should i be worried? Or do ya'll think N20 @ 125 shot will be good enough? I still can't believe his bottom end will hold all that power. It boggles my little 8 cylinder oriented brain..

tegaman111

12-16-2008, 11:59 AM

ls1's love nitrous! get the nitrous, cam, stall, and other mods mention above and destroy him with his upgraded turbo and his game boy tune!

first01SS

12-16-2008, 12:05 PM

I've got 2500 to spend; (in this economy, preferably less than that!) and i already have a N20 kit with a 150 wet shot (which is not completely installed yet, but it should be complete in a week or two.) the goal: cheaper is better, but i want to build a solid daily-driving beast... what are the best mods on that budget? I just scoped a lid, and smaller pulleys (is that the right word?) for the belts to gain crank power back...

hutch1999

12-16-2008, 12:37 PM

do exhaust also

maxwax

12-16-2008, 06:22 PM

help me if i'm wrong here, but, if i'm already driving at 60mph, in d (not od), what else can i do to launch other than stomp on the gas?

Refer to post # 7

Learn to drive the damn car, don't run his race or just go buy yourself a frigging NEON.

Stop embarrassing yourself with the same old questions just make him run your race and bust his ass.

first01SS

12-16-2008, 06:45 PM

Thankx for your input. Ima run him again when the weather clears down here.

SpeedAddict38

12-16-2008, 06:53 PM

clean your MAF ...........that should help alot if its dirty. Also here is what racing on the street will do

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/rrgray8/goat1.jpg

first01SS

12-16-2008, 08:47 PM

Yeah, I like the track much better than street racing. I've never been much of a street racing fan.

tegaman111

12-17-2008, 04:50 AM

2500 or less and u have the nitrous kit already. i would say exhaust, stall, gears, and a tune. that's a good daily driver combo. nitrous do not have to use all the time. stall, gears, and exhaust will make it fun to drive and sound good!

hutch1999

12-17-2008, 07:30 AM

clean your MAF ...........that should help alot if its dirty. Also here is what racing on the street will do

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/rrgray8/goat1.jpg

man Randy im glad where I street race there arnt any lakes, trees, or houses, lol just open fields

stevenm357

12-17-2008, 07:31 AM

How old are the plugs and wires? How much you have to spend? I'd get a tune, do you have a lid? Headers, and a y pipe would be a step in the right direction too!

first01SS

12-17-2008, 08:26 AM

The car has 38k miles on it. Never driven in the rain, or ice.

Ryans99LS1

12-17-2008, 01:31 PM

seriously, if you plan on modding, take it from us. You have a nitrous kit already and you have 2500 to spend. Get a lid, longtubes, an off road y pipe, and a cutout. I say cutout cus its cheaper than a catback and gets you the same gains. Install all of that and get a tune BEFORE you spray. You dont wanna blow your motor cus your a/f is off. If you dont wanna get a tune atleast get your a/f checked and make sure its ok to spray. Do the simple things like plugs and filters. You may have enough money for a stall in end, and if you do, go 3000 or higher.
Drag radials are an option at any point. all of this is more than enough to have to worry about most srt-4s on the road. yes there are fast ones but most arent

Lastly, like others have said, learn where your sweetspots are in the car.

first01SS

12-17-2008, 02:06 PM

I'm glad i have a car with history, and great forums. Thanks for all the info.

SpeedAddict38

12-17-2008, 02:13 PM

man Randy im glad where I street race there arnt any lakes, trees, or houses, lol just open fields

lol......that happen to a guy near where I live. Him and the passenger didnt have seat belts on. Thrown out and probally a good thing they might have drown.

hutch1999

12-17-2008, 02:16 PM

their lucky to live

first01SS

12-17-2008, 02:19 PM

Wow. How fast was he going??

SpeedAddict38

12-17-2008, 02:48 PM

Wow. How fast was he going??

they have not said yet

SpeedAddict38

12-17-2008, 02:49 PM

Wow. How fast was he going??

I used to do really stupid stuff in my SS. I cut all that stuff out. Just wanted to post that pic to make you think. Its fun to speed but sometimes people pay dearly.

first01SS

12-17-2008, 02:49 PM

Insanity. I've never raced outside of a wide open, 6 lane highway, and a race-track. I'll be deleting that "highway" from here on out........

4TEHW

12-17-2008, 04:00 PM

The gameboy is simply the interface. The tuning device that uses the GBA is called a DTEC FC (Fuel controller). It's a piggy back tuning device and probably the best of the piggy backs. It datalogs and allows you to pull fuel and other parameters rather well. You can also upgrade it to be a boost controller.

There are quite a few srt4's putting down 400+ fwhp on a STOCK turbo, with NO nitrous... just adding...

There's no way in hell a stock turbo will make much over 310whp. A MAXXED out stocker will make, on average, 290-310whp. Usually 290-300whp. The stocker becomes very inefficient over 22psi.

However, with a proper tune and basic bolt-ons, it's very easy to bump an NSRT-4 up to the 260-270whp range with 300+wtq.

ebdboudreaux

12-17-2008, 04:39 PM

There's no way in hell a stock turbo will make much over 310whp. A MAXXED out stocker will make, on average, 290-310whp. Usually 290-300whp. The stocker becomes very inefficient over 22psi.

However, with a proper tune and basic bolt-ons, it's very easy to bump an NSRT-4 up to the 260-270whp range with 300+wtq.

Well the guy I was thinking of that did it had his ported.... so I guess that wouldn't be considered "stock"...

However, there are plenty that break over the 300 mark...

srtforums.com has a lot of them...

4TEHW

12-17-2008, 04:49 PM

Well the guy I was thinking of that did it had his ported.... so I guess that wouldn't be considered "stock"...

However, there are plenty that break over the 300 mark...

srtforums.com has a lot of them...

Yeah, I've been on srtforums.com since 2002. Even a 'ported' stocker isn't going to put down 400whp. There are some 'big wheel' stockers, like the E1, E2, SST, etc. that are capable of 350-375whp perhaps and possibly 400whp with a wet shot, but nothing else.

And as far as many stock turboed NSRT-4s breaking 300whp, it really isn't as common as everyone thinks. Many of the dynos are from people living in high elevation states/locations. They come over to CA and dyno at sea level and their numbers tend to drop quite a bit. We had a dyno day this last Saturday and a local hit 307whp with every bolt-on possible, fuel upgrades, tuning and just about everything ported. Without a wet shot on top of that, that's all he's going to be able to make with a stock turbo.

first01SS

12-17-2008, 05:39 PM

how much horsepower is the stock block good for?

4TEHW

12-17-2008, 06:02 PM

how much horsepower is the stock block good for?

As in rods/pistons? Or the actual block? The motor can take up to 400whp safely. Some have been running 500whp daily for a while, but that's a bit risky in my opinion. I always get this mixed up, but either the rods or pistons are the weak point at 400-500whp. The other is able to make more.

Generally, when people go over 450-500whp, they're building out the bottom end.

01ws6er

12-17-2008, 07:46 PM

As in rods/pistons? Or the actual block? The motor can take up to 400whp safely. Some have been running 500whp daily for a while, but that's a bit risky in my opinion. I always get this mixed up, but either the rods or pistons are the weak point at 400-500whp. The other is able to make more.

Generally, when people go over 450-500whp, they're building out the bottom end.

crank is supposdily good for 600 with forged rod bolts. I shit a rod at the 350ish whp mark (never had it on the dyno)

4TEHW

12-18-2008, 08:35 AM

crank is supposdily good for 600 with forged rod bolts. I shit a rod at the 350ish whp mark (never had it on the dyno)

I looked it up again and it's the pistons that are weaker. They give out between 400-500whp. A lot of it is in your tune, of course...and many people run with simple piggy back/map clamp setups that just aren't very reliable.

Fade2Black

12-18-2008, 09:02 AM

I raced an SRT-4 Neon a few times, all from a stop.
He got me off the line every time and had about 3/4 a car on me but I reeled him in in 3rd gear and walked on him from there on out every time. But my Ls1TA was an M6 so I guess the M6 / A4 makes a difference.
My car was stock also, aside from the SLP exhaust

first01SS

12-18-2008, 11:35 AM

I think, for me, as it's been said many times: I just need to learn how to drive my car better, and invest in some basic bolt ons. I'm going to spray with this weekend with the few degrees of timing pulled to see how it does on a dyno. Hopefully, once it's tuned, I'll dominate.

JHayesLS1

12-18-2008, 11:58 AM

My old WS6 had LT's, Y-pipe, cat back, 4.10's, lid, and a tune. Even with bolt ons and a tune you will hand him his ass, adding the N20 will make him look like a bitch...post a video when it happens

Superluminal

12-20-2008, 06:45 AM

My old WS6 had LT's, Y-pipe, cat back, 4.10's, lid, and a tune. Even with bolt ons and a tune you will hand him his ass, adding the N20 will make him look like a bitch...post a video when it happens

Like everyone else has stated, now days... a bolt ons LS1 is going to be really fighting for that win against the turbo 4 cylinders. I basic dry shot with bolt ons will definitely get you the win on stock turbo 4 cylinders. The ones with the upgraded turbos and goodies you may have to bring the heads and cam along or go the forced induction route. Remember, you got a nasty motor under that hood, but you're driving a tank.

Durango

12-20-2008, 07:07 AM

Its already been said by someone, but its probably the worst range for a A4, especially a stock one, where as its perfect for him. Try something like from 20 if you have to go from a role.

Mine launches like crazy at 45mph. I'll be honest thought I just bought the car and I don't know if it's stock but I tell you she kicks me back like crazy and goes and she shifts a 6100rpm. At 60 mph it doesn't kick down at all worse speed to launch.

Superluminal

12-22-2008, 12:12 AM

Mine launches like crazy at 45mph. I'll be honest thought I just bought the car and I don't know if it's stock but I tell you she kicks me back like crazy and goes and she shifts a 6100rpm. At 60 mph it doesn't kick down at all worse speed to launch.

Take it to the track and see if it's stock.

Cronex

12-25-2008, 06:58 PM

Definitely start the race from a dig, and that crap about spinning 1 - 3 is probably bullshit. I have a stock A4 Trans Am - with the exception of the cat-back if you really want to call that a big performance mod, my buddy has a modded SRT-4. We've played this game a few times. From a roll sometimes he will take you with all the extra weight you have compared to his car being lighter. From a dig you should smoke him. I'll post up a vid or two of me and him racing later.
...another thing, if your using nitrous this time on him then go from a roll then. It wont matter, you'll kill him. That would be all you'd need.

Crimson Sin

12-27-2008, 03:38 PM

Stall Speed Convertor and External Cooler.
Dyno Tune (and get your shift points and pressures re-worked)
Lid.
Cat-back.
and No more Roll Racing at 60 in an A4.

Stone

12-28-2008, 10:40 AM

I had a pretty reputable Srt-4 before my GTO. I had every bolt on posible and still had the stock turbo and made 291WHP....un-tuned. Tuned i may have picked up 20ish. Thats about as much as you can go on a stock turbo with no Nitrous. My car ran a 13.2@111 on 225/45 KDWs. With some DRs it would have gone mid 12s im sure. Stock motors are good for about 500. The DS Tuner was a pretty good tuner. Alot of people went with them or Apexi. And yea most drivers from a dig would suck. Its all about suspension setup and DRIVER. I was very good from a dig in my Srt-4 on the street. But i learned how to drive it before i went and picked a dig race i couldnt compete with

67CamaroRSSS

12-28-2008, 02:28 PM

How loud can I say this: HIGH STALL TC!

Something around 3400 or more + associated tranny work (cooler, shift kit and reprogramming) will take a min 1/2 sec off your 1/4 mile time and will allow you to smoke the tires from a 30 (faster?) roll.

first01SS

12-28-2008, 02:58 PM

I just text'd this dude again, he claims now he's added a new turbo to his car.. Since he works in retail, and i know this guy fairly well, i know he won't have any further supporting mods. What do you guys think? Before i get embarrassed (again), should i go ahead and invest in something more than a 125 wet shot?

Stone

12-28-2008, 04:34 PM

If hes got a bigger turbo he can be running anuwhere from high 300s to high 400s to the wheels. Most likely running high 300s to low 400s. That would put him trapping low 120 to high teens. Put a 125 wet shot on a stock ls1 that would put you around the same. I say put the shot on it and run him. Because i got a feeling hes either bluffing
9because if hes got a bigger turbo he should have pulled you by alot more than 1 car from a 60 roll...no offense bud) or most likely cant drive it from a 40 roll on street tires making the power he should be making with a bigger turbo

first01SS

12-28-2008, 06:13 PM

He claims it's being installed as we speak. I haven't run him since our last encounter.

Stone

12-28-2008, 06:24 PM

He claims it's being installed as we speak. I haven't run him since our last encounter.

If hes buying a kit hes looking at about $4k+.

wooddaniel

12-28-2008, 09:41 PM

Do the 125 shot with a 3500 stall. You will win if you can drive. Unless he sprays as well. Or has some other mods that are crazy. DRs too.

wooddaniel

12-28-2008, 09:43 PM

first01SS

12-29-2008, 02:29 AM

he claims to have spent $1400

Stone

12-29-2008, 03:24 AM

He can buy a turbo for $1400 but he would have to buy a header and fuel system to support it. Unless he got his stock one ported. Then he still would only be making about 350ish to the wheels. Sounds to me like hes bluffing

first01SS

12-29-2008, 07:35 AM

Superluminal

12-30-2008, 07:33 PM

Well, that makes me feel leaps and bounds better. I was starting to feel sad about that lovely LS1 sound that i have become so attached to. :leghump: Before this guy, i never had any respect for stock 4 cylinder engines. This one makes me wanna do as many bolt-on mods as the ole' pocket book will allow.... I'm also ordering a lid, and an MSD timing twister today so that i can adjust the retard automatically when i use the 125 shot.. I spent the better part of last night completing the wiring for that nitrous kit. I've actually been very surprised that it has taken me so long. There are quite a few connections that have to be made on a progressive controller. How low (RPM) can i start spraying? (and at what %)

Really? You must have not of been around. There are many many 4 cylinder turbo street cars running in the 12s or better. Hell, my 240SX with a 4 cylinder turbo runs 10s and traps in the 130s, and yes I drive it on the street along with my LS1 240SX. There are many new cars that would give you a run for your money too. But yeah, start modding your car, some of the best races you will have could be some of those 4 cylinder turbo cars running around, just avoid the normal 4 cylinder cars... as most are a joke.... but not all.

first01SS

12-31-2008, 07:07 AM

Stone

12-31-2008, 08:17 AM

Lid ordered today; SLP.. decent? Also, since i'm now running nitrous, any suggestions on a tuner shop in Dallas? i think i want to invest in a good tune so that i can be absolutely safe..

In my little brain, logic doesn't dictate 4 small cylinders making more power than my large, nasty 8... seems like i have a lot to learn!!

Talk to Sarge def if your in the Dallas Area!!! Hes going to tell you to bring it to Nelson Performance. One of the top shops in the country IMO

first01SS

12-31-2008, 08:22 AM

about how much is that going to cost me

Stone

12-31-2008, 08:50 AM

about how much is that going to cost me

Not sure. They have a website. It may tell you there. Most likely for a N20 tune would be around $450-500ish maybe. Just a guess.

EDIT: Went on the site and it doesnt really say. They have a number you could contact them with. Im pretty sure they do tuning but it doesnt really say on the site. I could have sworn a few people have told me to take my GTO to them(Just too far of a drive)

first01SS

12-31-2008, 09:02 AM

I was thinking something more along the lines of "in dallas"; im kind of unsure about taking my car all the way to San Antonio; thats a 6 hour drive for me.....

Superluminal

12-31-2008, 11:51 AM

Lid ordered today; SLP.. decent? Also, since i'm now running nitrous, any suggestions on a tuner shop in Dallas? i think i want to invest in a good tune so that i can be absolutely safe..

In my little brain, logic doesn't dictate 4 small cylinders making more power than my large, nasty 8... seems like i have a lot to learn!!

Well these little 4 cylinders are making up for the lack of displacement with forced induction. Read alot, learn alot about your car, learn to do stuff yourself, then when you're comfortable with all that go get yourself a nitrous shot (after full bolt ons of course). A 125-150 dry shot is the answer to all your problems.

Midnight02

01-05-2009, 10:56 AM

How low (RPM) can i start spraying? (and at what %)

Many folks will tell you to throw the juice at it at 3000 rpm (or perhaps earlier), however my tuner preferred to be much more conservative -- I start at 3,400 rpm at 75% of a 100 rwhp shot and ramp it up to a full 100% at 4,000 rpm. I keep spraying until I'm about 200 rpm off of my shift point.

That 100 - 150 shot should really change your results quite favorably. Even if he has ported the stock turbo or replaced the stock turbo with an upgraded turbo, he's going to have to learn to drive it. Traction will be a serious issue for him unless he's a great driver with an upgraded suspension setup.

Superluminal

01-05-2009, 12:24 PM

Many folks will tell you to throw the juice at it at 3000 rpm (or perhaps earlier), however my tuner preferred to be much more conservative -- I start at 3,400 rpm at 75% of a 100 rwhp shot and ramp it up to a full 100% at 4,000 rpm. I keep spraying until I'm about 200 rpm off of my shift point.

That 100 - 150 shot should really change your results quite favorably. Even if he has ported the stock turbo or replaced the stock turbo with an upgraded turbo, he's going to have to learn to drive it. Traction will be a serious issue for him unless he's a great driver with an upgraded suspension setup.

Even then his FWD is going to fail him at some point, regardless of driving. Unless he's bringing some large drag radials or slicks, an upgraded turbo SRT-4 should be no problem for a nitroused A4 F-body from a dig. Watch out for the RWD turbo ricers, they can pack a punch.... like mine.

PhillyLs1

01-05-2009, 12:35 PM

The gameboy was the piggy back. It's how he controls the fuel.
I like people are starting to see what a contender the SRT-4 is. They are amazing cars. I used to have one.

squee

01-05-2009, 04:48 PM

The gameboy was the piggy back. It's how he controls the fuel.
I like people are starting to see what a contender the SRT-4 is. They are amazing cars. I used to have one.

I've been saying this all along, but people on here are to damn closed minded. At least there not ricers...(of course could EASILY be turned to rice) I personally like the PT Cruiser GT verts with the High Output turbo better. I think they can be made to look a hell of a lot better than the SRT4, yet there virtually identical.

hutch1999

01-06-2009, 07:16 AM

IMO the PT is a terrible looking car. I would much rather have a SRT4 neon

jomo

01-06-2009, 08:15 AM

I like the Caliber SRT 4 the best over the Neon and PT Cruiser. Mainly because I have one.

hutch1999

01-06-2009, 08:36 AM

caliber is just a tad bit to boxy for my taste but im sure it is a fun car

Cronex

01-06-2009, 11:56 AM

IMO the PT is a terrible looking car. I would much rather have a SRT4 neon

I'm with hutch. Definitely would take an SRT-4 Neon over both the PT and Caliber any day.

squee

01-06-2009, 02:17 PM

I'm with hutch. Definitely would take an SRT-4 Neon over both the PT and Caliber any day.

Only reason I'd take a PT over the Caliber or Neon is because you can't get one in a vert. The standard PT is ugly as shit, but the vert doesn't look to bad. Its only 2 door, low roof line, etc.

hutch1999

01-06-2009, 02:44 PM

Only reason I'd take a PT over the Caliber or Neon is because you can't get one in a vert. The standard PT is ugly as shit, but the vert doesn't look to bad. Its only 2 door, low roof line, etc.

I see where your comming from but even the conv. doesnt appeal to me.

wooddaniel

01-06-2009, 03:24 PM

I see where your comming from but even the conv. doesnt appeal to me.

One of the ugliest cars on the road IMO. Right up there with the Aztek. The caliber looks ok I think though. My wife wanted a Caliber but we ended up getting an avenger instead. Kinda looks like a small charger

first01SS

01-06-2009, 04:01 PM

What do you guys think about a v6 cadilac CTS for the wife? She wants something manual, 4D and fun... As much power as possible

Cronex

01-06-2009, 04:44 PM

What do you guys think about a v6 cadilac CTS for the wife? She wants something manual, 4D and fun... As much power as possible

The only Cadillac I've heard as a manual that is current, not old, is the CTS-V. I don't know how much you are willing to spend though for me to tell you what I think you should get, haha. But if you got the dough, CTS-V would be nice. If yous don't mind Tap-Shift, I would say the Grand Prix GXP too for a 4D with power.