"v8smoker" turns down challenge!

[mr_r0bert0]

So early this morning I am heading home. roads are dead I pull right up behind a Mitsubishi Evo, license plate "v8smokr". so i get up next to him and i roll down my window and say "hey is that any fast" joking around. he doesnt look. I rev up a lil a he just gives me a lil dirty look and then just keeps looking forward. light turns green and nothing. with a license plate like that you cant turn down a challenge like this. ricer.

[Firebirdjones]

Ya you would think so. Maybe just not in the mood??

Then again I've had people want to play in some of the most terrible places that don't interest me. Either traffic is too heavy, too many side roads,,,,or the road is just simply rough as hell.

[Wesman]

Just another stupid ricer thinking his 4 cylinder piece of shit is hot stuff.

Evo drivers never cease to amaze me with their cockyness and ignorance. They are by far one of the worst, right up there with Supra owners.

[karpetcm]

Some of those guys race other 4 bangers and v6 cars in a straight line and then when they run into a V8 car they say its all about turns. Yes they are excellent handling cars and since most of them dont take it out to a track often enough and kids now a days taking 10-15mph corner in the street at 60mph is not enough reason for me to buy that car. I do have to admitt i do like the Evo's but would never consider buying one over the Camaro.

[big hammer]

evos suck

[blackSS01]

Just another stupid ricer thinking his 4 cylinder piece of shit is hot stuff.

Evo drivers never cease to amaze me with their cockyness and ignorance. They are by far one of the worst, right up there with Supra owners.

:lmao: :lol: Always good for a laugh. :cheers:

[wooddaniel]

I had kind of the same thing happen to me today with a 350 Z. His plate was KLLR Z or something. I got up next to him in the GTO at a light and he wouldn't even look at me.

[Firebirdjones]

I had kind of the same thing happen to me today with a 350 Z. His plate was KLLR Z or something. I got up next to him in the GTO at a light and he wouldn't even look at me.


Did you do anything to get his attention??? I know when I'm driving one of the hotrods I'm kinda in my own little world and don't pay much attention to any of the newer cars running around. But I'm an old gear head though. Shucks I don't even know what a 350Z is :ughlaugh: First thing that comes to mind would be a 70-72 Z28 but I never heard them referred to as 350Z's.

[JwMonE99]

I ran into a civic the other day. It was black and had black rims...sound familer so we were just driving and he was on it behind me so I moved up a little and so did he and was rolling next to me and never did anything so he kept going past me so then i moved up on him and gave him a nice little rev while we were driving and he just looked at me and my bro and he yelled out "I never seen an import take on american muscle so im not even going to try it" so I just smiled at him and idk why but I just dropped it into 2nd and and gunned it for him.
atleast he knew where to draw the line.

[side2000]

i burned an sti in my cummins the other night. an evo the week before.

there is a spot around where i live that has some mean twisties one after another, i wait at the top and bottom of them and wait for shit to drive by that thinks they can bang turns, and i burn them. as for a straight line-i've never lost to an awd car, i know there are some that can burn me out there. . . .but they can't afford to put c16 or cam2 in their tanks enough to come see me when i'm out.
ricer mentality goes well beyond owning a rice burner. they think awd is best when all real race cars are rwd. . .they think cuz they hit 30 instantly w/ an awd launch that they "beat vettes all the time". they burn a 3rd gen v6 w/ dual exhaust and claim they "burn v8's all the time". and they see commercials like the ones ford 'n toyota put out for their trucks and they run out and buy them.

[taylorr12]

We got some around here that say "V8eater", "LS1cya", "eaturv8"and more ghey ones. Douches I tell ya.

[side2000]

i tried to get "myLSwon" but it was taken. . . . .

[Cayenne97]

i tried to get "myLSwon" but it was taken. . . . .

My buddy has "MYLS18U" on his NBM WS6. I have "MYLT18U" on my '97.

[Firebirdjones]

I just put UDLOSE2 on my chevelle since I moved out here and couldn't use my model year ohio plates anymore :D

[wooddaniel]

Did you do anything to get his attention??? I know when I'm driving one of the hotrods I'm kinda in my own little world and don't pay much attention to any of the newer cars running around. But I'm an old gear head though. Shucks I don't even know what a 350Z is :ughlaugh: First thing that comes to mind would be a 70-72 Z28 but I never heard them referred to as 350Z's.

I gave him a 5k Rev. He had the top down so I know he heard me

[Firebirdjones]

I gave him a 5k Rev. He had the top down so I know he heard me

:chuckles: well there's no ignoring that.

[Cayenne97]

I just put UDLOSE2 on my chevelle since I moved out here and couldn't use my model year ohio plates anymore :D

ha ha, clever one! ;)

[95camaroZNC]

Mustang guys hauling around term8tr are just as bad.

Theres a guy on another board with that licence plate around here that talks all sorts of crap on another forum, importsnc if youve heard of it, but when i ran into him last night and walked right by him IN PERSON he didnt say anything to me then when we got out to my car he was gona try and race me with his MOM and DAD in the car. This guy wasnt skinny and nither where they i told him the extra ton in his car wasnt fair and i didnt want him complaining about a weight disadvantage and left.

Hell talk all sorts of crap on the internet but wont in person, he even left the theater REALLY fast like was up outta his seat and out the door before i even stood up. Some mustang owners are just as bad as the ricers.

[99 Kobra]

Mustang guys hauling around term8tr are just as bad.

Theres a guy on another board with that licence plate around here that talks all sorts of crap on another forum, importsnc if youve heard of it, but when i ran into him last night and walked right by him IN PERSON he didnt say anything to me then when we got out to my car he was gona try and race me with his MOM and DAD in the car. This guy wasnt skinny and nither where they i told him the extra ton in his car wasnt fair and i didnt want him complaining about a weight disadvantage and left.

Hell talk all sorts of crap on the internet but wont in person, he even left the theater REALLY fast like was up outta his seat and out the door before i even stood up. Some mustang owners are just as bad as the ricers.\

And some F-body owners are just as bad as the ricers.

[side2000]

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And some F-body owners are just as bad as the ricers.

more mustang owners are rice compared to fbody owners. . . .

[Firebirdjones]

I think most car owners are at least a little bit cocky no matter what the brand is.
I've had my share of various brand cars, different makes and models,,,and still do. I can tell you from personal experience from hanging around groups of particular brand cars that there are always a few in every crowd.

Thats one reason I don't care to be a part of any particular car club anymore, I've got a passion for just about any detroit muscle so I don't really click with most groups.

[Firebirdjones]

ha ha, clever one! ;)

Thank you, I just recently got it,,and I haven't really driven the car around much yet with it. So I don't know what kind of attention thats going to get. Probably much less than the license plate frame I had on the Monza that said,,,,"This Monza eats fords and shits mopars" :wall:

[mr_r0bert0]

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And some F-body owners are just as bad as the ricers.

well there is a termiator around here with the license plate 2l8iwon and it was too late.... i dusted him, so i have that right to be a lil cocky

[99 Kobra]

well there is a termiator around here with the license plate 2l8iwon and it was too late.... i dusted him, so i have that right to be a lil cocky

Good kill!

[99 Kobra]

more mustang owners are rice compared to fbody owners. . . .

Boy, that's a brilliant comment.

[wooddaniel]

Boy, that's a brilliant comment.

There are douche bags amongst every brand of car owner. Mustangs GM, and Dodge alike as well as the ricers.

[side2000]

There are douche bags amongst every brand of car owner. Mustangs GM, and Dodge alike as well as the ricers.

by saying more ricers amongst other brands i acknowledged the fact there are clowns in f-body crowd. . .just not as many.

[karpetcm]

^^^ agreed, ive had my fair share of running into many clowns and not pointing fingers more to one group then another on purpose but my experience is Mustang GT owners and VW GTI, i dont know why but there it is. I guess when you drive a Camaro your not really going to get another guy who drives a camaro to call you out or talk that much Sh*t. So i can see why some people would say i dont see too many F-bod owners act a fool, that and just because there arent nearly as many camaro's as there are mustangs on the road. Either way i do like the newer mustangs and i did consider at one time buying a GTI both great cars and im sure there are plenty of decent peeps that drive them i guess ive had bad luck running into the bad apples.

[drummer52910]

They are by far one of the worst, right up there with Supra owners.
Well too bad the majority of 700+ HP street cars are supras. They can generally back up any cockiness they may have.

[ATyler]

LMAO!!! that was my tag for the supra when i was 16 lol!!!

[wooddaniel]

Well too bad the majority of 700+ HP street cars are supras. They can generally back up any cockiness they may have.

Those are few and far between though. Most Supra drivers are fast and furious fanboys with little mods.

[Cayenne97]

Those are few and far between though. Most Supra drivers are fast and furious fanboys with little mods.

Not out here in NorCal. Supra's are like Termi's. If you run into one there's a good chance it's making serious power.

[wooddaniel]

Not out here in NorCal. Supra's are like Termi's. If you run into one there's a good chance it's making serious power.

The quickest one I have seen here runs 11's. Most of the really fast cars around here are Mustangs/F-bodies

[SS02]

Some of those guys race other 4 bangers and v6 cars in a straight line and then when they run into a V8 car they say its all about turns. Yes they are excellent handling cars and since most of them dont take it out to a track often enough and kids now a days taking 10-15mph corner in the street at 60mph is not enough reason for me to buy that car. I do have to admitt i do like the Evo's but would never consider buying one over the Camaro.

extra doors are not 4 me!

[side2000]

Well too bad the majority of 700+ HP street cars are supras. They can generally back up any cockiness they may have.

to say the majority of 700+ hp street cars are supras. . . .maybe where you live, but i rarely see any in the first place. may be so that they have the most 700 horse cars in relation to the % of them on the street. considering i see a dozen vettes a day that are all stock. . . . .i still see that real nasty vette every now and then.

-and too bad those 700 horse supras have to put cam2 or better in their tanks. . . . .

evo's handle like awd cars. . . .in slow hairpin-like turns they shine, anything faster and rwd cars blow them out. at least f-bodies or better. . .

modded f-body>modded evo in the twisties.

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[Cayenne97]

The quickest one I have seen here runs 11's. Most of the really fast cars around here are Mustangs/F-bodies

We have several 500-600+rwhp Supra's out here. A few that are really quick, in the 9 & 10-second bracket. Street cars. They can definitely hold their own against us.

[wooddaniel]

We have several 500-600+rwhp Supra's out here. A few that are really quick, in the 9 & 10-second bracket. Street cars. They can definitely hold their own against us.

I know they can be made fast. I used to have an 87 turbo that with very little done to it was in the 13's. Blew a head gasket though.

[Electric]

Thats really lame. I would have followed him and made him race me for having a plate like that. What a loser. First off I would never get a "smoke" anything license plate bc there is always something faster.

I remember when I used to have my EVO, there was a douche in a 95-97 style Mustang GT. Big sticker on the rear window that said "Import Killer." We did a 3rd gear roll and I proceeded to steamroll the idiot like he was going backwards. I think he had just a catback on it. It was slow as hell. I was only at 350awhp at the time, nothing crazy, and that thing went nowhere. Anyway, at the next light I asked him about the import killer sticker and asked if it meant import economy cars, ya know, Hyundai's, Civic, etc. He didn't respond.

[Firebirdjones]

Thats really lame. I would have followed him and made him race me for having a plate like that. What a loser. First off I would never get a "smoke" anything license plate bc there is always something faster.

I remember when I used to have my EVO, there was a douche in a 95-97 style Mustang GT. Big sticker on the rear window that said "Import Killer." We did a 3rd gear roll and I proceeded to steamroll the idiot like he was going backwards. I think he had just a catback on it. It was slow as hell. I was only at 350awhp at the time, nothing crazy, and that thing went nowhere. Anyway, at the next light I asked him about the import killer sticker and asked if it meant import economy cars, ya know, Hyundai's, Civic, etc. He didn't respond.

Well there are quite a few that can't back up what they preach,,,you just have to watch out for that small percentage that can ;)

[SupraSonic]

Well there are quite a few that can't back up what they preach,,,you just have to watch out for that small percentage that can ;)

I agree absolutely!:yup:

[flash]

by saying more ricers amongst other brands i acknowledged the fact there are clowns in f-body crowd. . .just not as many.


Care to share your statistical data on this issue?

[mr_r0bert0]

the data is that i went to race this ricer and he was a clown.... fbody owner(me) = not a clown.... 1 ricer in a evo = a clown that talks and cant back it up .......... enough evidence

[95camaroZNC]

Care to share your statistical data on this issue?

Um every ricer i ever see rolls up reving his engine thinking hes a bad ass cause his car is 3 different colors his muffler is 6 inches around he has 3 different rims on his car and one donut or hell all 4 donuts as well as some neons and tinted windows. The only thing on the car that does him any good are the tinted windows so you cant make fun of him when you see him in public.

:rant::blah::rock:

[side2000]

Care to share your statistical data on this issue?

don't need to.

[slpdablueZ28]

Um every ricer i ever see rolls up reving his engine thinking hes a bad ass cause his car is 3 different colors his muffler is 6 inches around he has 3 different rims on his car and one donut or hell all 4 donuts as well as some neons and tinted windows. The only thing on the car that does him any good are the tinted windows so you cant make fun of him when you see him in public.

:rant::blah::rock:

LOL

[Firebirdjones]

When I see the little foreign cars next to me reving up their engines I just think they are kidding around,,,,I mean,,,,they can't really be serious can they??? :chuckles: I wave and smile. Most of the time I find they just enjoy seeing an old muscle car.

The only ones I take seriously are ones that are turbo charged, they seem more direct in their intentions.

[side2000]

When I see the little foreign cars next to me reving up their engines I just think they are kidding around,,,,I mean,,,,they can't really be serious can they??? :chuckles: I wave and smile. Most of the time I find they just enjoy seeing an old muscle car.

The only ones I take seriously are ones that are turbo charged, they seem more direct in their intentions.

yea ricers love to blowoff in my ear.

[1 RedHot TransAm]

believe it or not, there is a young punkish looking kid that I saw a few times this most recent summer in a 98-02 red ss, its real loud too ya can tell he has had a little work done, first time I saw him I tried to give him a friendly "fellow f-body owner" nod when he was turning he gave me a dirty look and reved the shit out of his car when he was turning passed me, then he hit the gas and almost lost control as he sped on 100mph, only saw the kid 3 or 4 times but every time I saw him he would display simalar behavior, MAJOR d-bag in my book, never lined up with him at all, i woulda liked to of run him to see what he had, always next summer though....,point being there is even fellow LS1 owners that act like dicks to other LS1 owners as well

[side2000]

believe it or not, there is a young punkish looking kid that I saw a few times this most recent summer in a 98-02 red ss, its real loud too ya can tell he has had a little work done, first time I saw him I tried to give him a friendly "fellow f-body owner" nod when he was turning he gave me a dirty look and reved the shit out of his car when he was turning passed me, then he hit the gas and almost lost control as he sped on 100mph, only saw the kid 3 or 4 times but every time I saw him he would display simalar behavior, MAJOR d-bag in my book, never lined up with him at all, i woulda liked to of run him to see what he had, always next summer though....,point being there is even fellow LS1 owners that act like dicks to other LS1 owners as well

what a cornball. i like gettin' smoked by other ls1's so there is really no need to act like an idiot.

[Y2KArcticSS]

I know they can be made fast. I used to have an 87 turbo that with very little done to it was in the 13's. Blew a head gasket though.

I've got some evil thoughts rolling around in my head about the 88 Supra Turbo I have sitting in my yard with no engine(engine sitting at the in-laws...)..... I dream of the day I pull the LS1 out of the SS to swap with something a little...bigger... and slap that sucker in the Supra... :devil: Although it may be easier to just hold the LS1 for something else, and do a 2JZ swap...but now I'm getting into Jap car talk, so I'll quit :sorry:

[side2000]

I've got some evil thoughts rolling around in my head about the 88 Supra Turbo I have sitting in my yard with no engine(engine sitting at the in-laws...)..... I dream of the day I pull the LS1 out of the SS to swap with something a little...bigger... and slap that sucker in the Supra... :devil: Although it may be easier to just hold the LS1 for something else, and do a 2JZ swap...but now I'm getting into Jap car talk, so I'll quit :sorry:

i got a buddy who does ls1 swaps into ricers (he drives a T/A and a vette). he says those '80s ricers are real easy. i've seen a few of 'em that he's done real clean. he practically owns a shop though. . . .so his idea of "easy" may be different than most. either way they definately have some room.

[wooddaniel]

I've got some evil thoughts rolling around in my head about the 88 Supra Turbo I have sitting in my yard with no engine(engine sitting at the in-laws...)..... I dream of the day I pull the LS1 out of the SS to swap with something a little...bigger... and slap that sucker in the Supra... :devil: Although it may be easier to just hold the LS1 for something else, and do a 2JZ swap...but now I'm getting into Jap car talk, so I'll quit :sorry:

I have owned two imports (supra turbo and Starion Turbo Widebody) so I have no hate for the jap cars. Just the dumb kids with a honda and nothing but exhaust who think it will run with a V-8.

[Y2KArcticSS]

I have owned two imports (supra turbo and Starion Turbo Widebody) so I have no hate for the jap cars. Just the dumb kids with a honda and nothing but exhaust who think it will run with a V-8.

Ahh, I almost forgot about Starions/Conquests. I had a chance at an old conquest a couple years ago, but turned it down.... the price didn't seem right for what it was :think:, and I had already moved on to looking for real muscle.

[wooddaniel]

Ahh, I almost forgot about Starions/Conquests. I had a chance at an old conquest a couple years ago, but turned it down.... the price didn't seem right for what it was :think:, and I had already moved on to looking for real muscle.

They are pretty slow off the line stock. I got mine for 500$ in Germany while I was stationed there and it was fun to drive on the autobahn. It would do 150+. Took forever to get there though.

[Y2KArcticSS]

They are pretty slow off the line stock. I got mine for 500$ in Germany while I was stationed there and it was fun to drive on the autobahn. It would do 150+. Took forever to get there though.

I would looooooove to get the SS on the Bahn.....I don't care if I get passed up by a hundred Ferrari's and Lambhorghini's.... It would be fun to get up in the 150+ range. You are lucky!!

[wooddaniel]

I would looooooove to get the SS on the Bahn.....I don't care if I get passed up by a hundred Ferrari's and Lambhorghini's.... It would be fun to get up in the 150+ range. You are lucky!!

Yup. Driving that fast here will land you in jail. I wish I had the T/A while I was there

[side2000]

c'mon guys we all figure out where our rev limiters are set for ourselves. . . . .(the needle has kissed the steering column on mine). . . . .

[JwMonE99]

I found the V8 killer you speak of.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=168529296

[JwMonE99]

Oh srry guys, after going back to read the first post, I thought it said killer not smoker:sillyme:

[Wesman]

Well too bad the majority of 700+ HP street cars are supras. They can generally back up any cockiness they may have.

Majority??

Too bad you are wrong. Most people don't have the expertise or extremely vast funds to build a 700HP Supra, they are few and far between.

And when you do happen to see one, chances are its nothing more than a dyno queen, just like the joke goes - whats the difference between a 400HP Supra and an 700HP Supra?? Nothing more than 300HP, because they both run 12's.

[Wesman]

I found the V8 killer you speak of.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=168529296

HAHA thats funny.

I'd like to line up with her at a light and make her eat that license plate.

[Superluminal]

I remember awhile back, when I had my F-body, I came up to this Supra at a light that had "V8KILLER" or something like that condensed, on the license plate. Let's just say that due to the combination of his car stinking of race gas, and surging/camming... I knew right there that he deserved that tag.

....And yes... I did get him to run, just for shits and giggles. We both opened up in 2nd gear, then he put it in 3rd smoking the tires while passing me (I got chunks or rubber on my windshield). When he got traction I was literally standing still, it was a joke of a race. That car had to trap at least 150+ in the 1/4. Later found out is was one of the local shop owners cars.

[Wesman]

I remember awhile back, when I had my F-body, I came up to this Supra at a light that had "V8KILLER" or something like that condensed, on the license plate. Let's just say that due to the combination of his car stinking of race gas, and surging/camming... I knew right there that he deserved that tag.

....And yes... I did get him to run, just for shits and giggles. We both opened up in 2nd gear, then he put it in 3rd smoking the tires while passing me (I got chunks or rubber on my windshield). When he got traction I was literally standing still, it was a joke of a race. That car had to trap at least 150+ in the 1/4. Later found out is was one of the local shop owners cars.

It still makes you look like an idiot to put that on your license plate when there are hundreds of V8's that would whoop his ricer car's ass. And I honesty doubt he was trapping anywhere near 150MPH, Supras aren't that fast unless its a full out drag only car that would never see the streets.

Its not like he's invincible or something, a 454 LSX TT would take his rice and shove it straight up his ass. Thats what I love about ricers with those stupid plates, you have a small motor, there is always someone with a bigger motor who would be more than happy to hand your your ass on a silver platter. You shouldn't talk shit when you're at the bottom of the food chain.

[2000LS1Bird]

I remember awhile back, when I had my F-body, I came up to this Supra at a light that had "V8KILLER" or something like that condensed, on the license plate. Let's just say that due to the combination of his car stinking of race gas, and surging/camming... I knew right there that he deserved that tag.

....And yes... I did get him to run, just for shits and giggles. We both opened up in 2nd gear, then he put it in 3rd smoking the tires while passing me (I got chunks or rubber on my windshield). When he got traction I was literally standing still, it was a joke of a race. That car had to trap at least 150+ in the 1/4. Later found out is was one of the local shop owners cars.

His car threw chunks of rubber on your windshield? OMG thats funny.

[99 Kobra]

It still makes you look like an idiot to put that on your license plate when there are hundreds of V8's that would whoop his ricer car's ass. And I honesty doubt he was trapping anywhere near 150MPH, Supras aren't that fast unless its a full out drag only car that would never see the streets.

Its not like he's invincible or something, a 454 LSX TT would take his rice and shove it straight up his ass. Thats what I love about ricers with those stupid plates, you have a small motor, there is always someone with a bigger motor who would be more than happy to hand your your ass on a silver platter. You shouldn't talk shit when you're at the bottom of the food chain.

Hey Wesman, come on out to Southern California and run against a last generation turbocharged Supra that's putting out 500 to 600 hp and run him on Mullholland Drive. Then tell me who is at the bottom of the food chain. No way is that type of car a "ricer." Properly set up, they're fast and quick.

[Superluminal]

It still makes you look like an idiot to put that on your license plate when there are hundreds of V8's that would whoop his ricer car's ass. And I honesty doubt he was trapping anywhere near 150MPH, Supras aren't that fast unless its a full out drag only car that would never see the streets.

Its not like he's invincible or something, a 454 LSX TT would take his rice and shove it straight up his ass. Thats what I love about ricers with those stupid plates, you have a small motor, there is always someone with a bigger motor who would be more than happy to hand your your ass on a silver platter. You shouldn't talk shit when you're at the bottom of the food chain.

Yeah, but you'll never see a 454 LSX TT on the street. Supra's you can go 800-900whp in some cases without ever removing the valve cover. That's why you see them everywhere, they are easy to make power and easy to make fast (big single turbo kit, tuning, tires, done.).

Also.... bottom of the food chain? I think not. There are some tube chassis 2JZ powered drag cars running well in the low 6s, and some full body Supras running in the 7s. You must not be out at the track or events much. 2JZs are certainly not the bottom of the food chain.

Here is a full body Supra in the 7s:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXa9ggyHa10

Here is hot model Jessica Barton driving a 6 speed street Supra into the low 9s:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXA3CRCJgFk&feature=related

And here is your V8 supercharged dragster getting beat by yes.... a 6 second 2JZ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHFw76Deuf4&feature=related

You can rant all you want.... but drag racing is no longer dominated by American muscle, at least down to the Outlaw Pro class. It's okay that you're biased, but don't surround yourself in ignorance. These days, you don't need an enormous cubic inch V8 to go fast.

[Superluminal]

His car threw chunks of rubber on your windshield? OMG thats funny.

Yes, as he was spinning past me.... he was lighting up the tires and rubber debris was landing on my windshield.

[JoshieDoom]

Here is a prime example of ricer beating a V8.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms

[Superluminal]

Here is a prime example of ricer beating a V8.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms

That has nothing to do with a ricer beating a V8, but great video!

[hutch1999]

You can rant all you want.... but drag racing is no longer dominated by American muscle, at least down to the Outlaw Pro class. It's okay that you're biased, but don't surround yourself in ignorance. These days, you don't need an enormous cubic inch V8 to go fast.

The fastest drag cars in the world are still american V8s hands down, no argument. Top fuel dragsters.

I understand what you are saying about not needing a v8 to go fast, thats very true with todays modern turbo technology. There are lots of very nice, very fast imports that I would drive.


But... it all comes down to more cubes more potential my main man. Thats why top fuel runs a 500cubic in hemi... not a 2JZ...

[side2000]

The fastest drag cars in the world are still american V8s hands down, no argument. Top fuel dragsters.

I understand what you are saying about not needing a v8 to go fast, thats very true with todays modern turbo technology. There are lots of very nice, very fast imports that I would drive.


But... it all comes down to more cubes more potential my main man. Thats why top fuel runs a 500cubic in hemi... not a 2JZ...

no doubt. more cubes = more potential. it's lawful.

[JoshieDoom]

That has nothing to do with a ricer beating a V8, but great video!

And you my friend have been KenRolled and didnt even know it..

[Superluminal]

And you my friend have been KenRolled and didnt even know it..

Really? All I saw was a well built STI with an awesome driver performing acrobatics around an obsticle course.

[Superluminal]

The fastest drag cars in the world are still american V8s hands down, no argument. Top fuel dragsters.

I understand what you are saying about not needing a v8 to go fast, thats very true with todays modern turbo technology. There are lots of very nice, very fast imports that I would drive.

But... it all comes down to more cubes more potential my main man. Thats why top fuel runs a 500cubic in hemi... not a 2JZ...

Yeah, I know that. All Top Fuel Dragsters are large displacement V8s with lots of boost. I'm just saying generally drag racing is not dominated by cubic inches like it used to be. There are 4 and 6 cylinders down into the 6s now, which in the past was only seen by large displacement engine. But, the general concensus is that some people (like Wesman) still think an 8 cylinder is still the only way to go fast and be streetable, which is not true. But, I've seen many people like him, and you can show them 2+2=4 and they will never believe it out of biased opinion, which is fine..... but when they bash others.... that's pretty low.

[side2000]

well, fast and streetable is purely opinion. you can run 1000 horse lsx on pump gas, not happenin w/ a rice motor. runnin c16 just to drive around isn't my idea of "streetable". granted, the lsx w/ 1000 horse on pump gas isn't your run-of-the mill LS and took a lotta money and either a large single or multiple turbos. it may not be the only car that can be "streetable" with lots of power, but it sure is easy to make lots of power reliably, and drive to work. ANY engine can make outrageous amount of power with enough turbos and the right fuel (or mix), as long as you dont grenade your parts for long enough to show it to someone.

[side2000]

Hey Wesman, come on out to Southern California and run against a last generation turbocharged Supra that's putting out 500 to 600 hp and run him on Mullholland Drive. Then tell me who is at the bottom of the food chain. No way is that type of car a "ricer." Properly set up, they're fast and quick.

we can all say "come here and race this guy we know". just like "someone out there can beat me" in the world of fighting, "someone out there can beat me" racing. there's no such thing as "the fastest car in the world". it's all 'bout whos pockets are deeper.

[Wesman]

Hey Wesman, come on out to Southern California and run against a last generation turbocharged Supra that's putting out 500 to 600 hp and run him on Mullholland Drive. Then tell me who is at the bottom of the food chain. No way is that type of car a "ricer." Properly set up, they're fast and quick.

I honestly don't give a crap about some piece of shit Supra thats running race gas with some massive turbo to put down 600HP. As if he's the first person to ever hit those kinds of numbers?? Guys do that N/A with V8's all the time, I'm NOT impressed by his rice.

I don't understand what you are trying to prove.

I could say the same thing, tell your "boy" in his Supra to come race this guy I know from work who has a '01 twin turbo Viper, 800WHP on low boost, 1000+ on high boost. Makes that Supra look like a child's toy.

[Wesman]

Yeah, but you'll never see a 454 LSX TT on the street. Supra's you can go 800-900whp in some cases without ever removing the valve cover. That's why you see them everywhere, they are easy to make power and easy to make fast (big single turbo kit, tuning, tires, done.).

And why would you never see a TT LSX on the street?? The majority of guys who have TT LSX's drive them on the streets, I don't think you understand.

I love how everyone brags about how "easy" it is to make "huge" power with Supras, its not as straightforward as you lead people to believe. The stress on a "stock" motor at 800-900WHP is phenominal, its not going to last long at that power level, simple as that. There's this thing called physics, and cramming that much boost into that small of an engine to make that much power will eventually result in total destruction of the motor.

Also.... bottom of the food chain? I think not. There are some tube chassis 2JZ powered drag cars running well in the low 6s, and some full body Supras running in the 7s. You must not be out at the track or events much. 2JZs are certainly not the bottom of the food chain.

In order to get the car to run that fast, you need more boost and higher octane fuel than you would need to do the same thing with a larger motor. Bottom of the food chain, simple as that.

I didn't watch any of your stupid videos because I honestly don't care. We can sit here and post videos all day long of this car beating that car, its one example and it doesn't prove anything.

You can rant all you want.... but drag racing is no longer dominated by American muscle, at least down to the Outlaw Pro class. It's okay that you're biased, but don't surround yourself in ignorance. These days, you don't need an enormous cubic inch V8 to go fast.

Yes it is. The fastest cars are still American cars with big engines, and unless someone figures out a way to change scientific principles, thats the way its going to say. You are the ignorant one for believing otherwise.

Obviously you don't need a big V8 to go "fast", but if you want to be the fastest, thats what you get. And what do you think is going to last longer reliability wise and which would be more driveable?? A 600WHP V8 on 10PSI or a 600WHP 6 cylinder on 30PSI with race fuel?? Use some common sense. Either way small ricer engines lose the battle, thats the way the world works.

[big hammer]

how do ricers do at pump gas challenges?

[Superluminal]

I love how everyone brags about how "easy" it is to make "huge" power with Supras, its not as straightforward as you lead people to believe. The stress on a "stock" motor at 800-900WHP is phenominal, its not going to last long at that power level, simple as that. There's this thing called physics, and cramming that much boost into that small of an engine to make that much power will eventually result in total destruction of the motor.

It is straightforward. The reason is the engine was built for boost, so not much needs to be changed when running turbo setups, other the the kit itself. Most 8 cylinders, especially LSX, were never meant for boost. These motors you have to build and forge to handle higher boost if you want them to last. That being said, a custom LSX turbo build will always outperform a custom 2JZ build due to the displacement difference, so I agree with you there. My point was that, for a street car, not many people do a full motor build up. So, under these conditions 2JZ is a viable option since you don't have to change much, if anything, to run a lot of boost.

In order to get the car to run that fast, you need more boost and higher octane fuel than you would need to do the same thing with a larger motor. Bottom of the food chain, simple as that.

So what. The motor can handle lots of boost. It was designed to do it without changing anything internally. I see and agree with your point that a larger displacement motor will need less boost to achieve the same horsepower. I never said a 2JZ was at the top of the food chain, but it's certainly not at the bottom.

I didn't watch any of your stupid videos because I honestly don't care. We can sit here and post videos all day long of this car beating that car, its one example and it doesn't prove anything.

I just simply wanted to show you a few of these Supra's running at the track. If you don't want to watch, no problem.

Yes it is. The fastest cars are still American cars with big engines, and unless someone figures out a way to change scientific principles, thats the way its going to say. You are the ignorant one for believing otherwise.

I was simply stating that there are 4 and 6 cylinders that can run in the Outlaw class and put times similar to the 8 cylinders. Sure you see lot's more 8 cylinders in that class, but when I say dominate, I mean no 4 or 6 cylinders are running that fast, which isn't true. I'm not oblivious. I do know top fuel drag racing are all large displacement forced induction 8 cylinders and it is easier, at the level, to make an 8 cylinder faster.

Obviously you don't need a big V8 to go "fast", but if you want to be the fastest, thats what you get. And what do you think is going to last longer reliability wise and which would be more driveable?? A 600WHP V8 on 10PSI or a 600WHP 6 cylinder on 30PSI with race fuel?? Use some common sense. Either way small ricer engines lose the battle, thats the way the world works.

I never said, that a 4-6 cylinder platform is the way to go to be the fastest. I agree with you on that 100%. My point was what you stated..... you don't need a V8 to be fast, but you do to be the fastest. On the reliability, there are many 2JZs running 600+ horsepower for years on stock internals. The RB26DETT (from Nissan Skyline) can go over 100k miles with aftermarket turbo kits and lot's of boost. There have been cases of cars getting boosted with large kits with over 100k miles on them and still making good power reliably. Many of the built ones have lasted for many years. The key to getting the motor to last long is the quality of the tuning and the parts you use.

My common sense is in check, you just took what I posted and made it seem like I was a ricer saying 4-6 cylinders are fastest around. In a nutshell, I just said that there are 4-6 cylinders that can be made fast and in some cases compete with an 8 cylinder. I never said they were the best way to go fast. As a street car, you won't see too many well build 8 cylinder turbos, and because of this 4-6 cylinders can compete.

[big hammer]

there are many american engines running 1,000,000+ miles on over 30lbs of boost...

[side2000]

i'm not even gonna bother quotin all that so i dont fill pages w/ quotes. . . .i respectably say, "picking" examples of cars you may have seen make big power numbers with lots of miles (or whatever the scenario) does not make a good case. there are plenty of motors that grenade from added boost levels (w/ any amount of miles), there are motors that handle way more boost than "pros" (lack of better word) would be willing to apply to their motors. we can dig up examples of BOTH scenarios, for any motor or combo. plenty of guys can tell ya they put outrageous power down to their stock bottom ends of their SBC's w/o grenading them, as well as the guys who have spun bearings in their stock setups while driving to the grocery store. like i said, diggin for examples doesn't create a realisic base for a discussion.

"the key to getting the motor to last long is quality of tuning and parts you use"- - -quality of parts, and the stress they experience plays the largest role in longevity of a motor. this statement i just made is only valid when nothing else goes wrong- -for example- -it only takes one violent detonation on a high boost application to grenade a motor of any "quality".
bottom line is this: more cubes = less stress for same power (i saw you already agree with this). while you have seen some small motors handle high boost (some more reknowned than others for the amount they can handle) i will be bold enough to make the claim that there are more stock internal LSX's makin high power numbers (600+ wheel) than any other car out there. however, i will be the first to admit that puttin down 900 wheel on stock internals certainly wont last long, but doesn't mean guys dont do it.

[Y2KArcticSS]

That being said, I would like to add that I like big butts and I cannot lie.






Sorry, it's late, I was bored. Going to bed, goodnight :lol:

[jomo]

And why would you never see a TT LSX on the street?? The majority of guys who have TT LSX's drive them on the streets, I don't think you understand.

I love how everyone brags about how "easy" it is to make "huge" power with Supras, its not as straightforward as you lead people to believe. The stress on a "stock" motor at 800-900WHP is phenominal, its not going to last long at that power level, simple as that. There's this thing called physics, and cramming that much boost into that small of an engine to make that much power will eventually result in total destruction of the motor.



In order to get the car to run that fast, you need more boost and higher octane fuel than you would need to do the same thing with a larger motor. Bottom of the food chain, simple as that.

I didn't watch any of your stupid videos because I honestly don't care. We can sit here and post videos all day long of this car beating that car, its one example and it doesn't prove anything.



Yes it is. The fastest cars are still American cars with big engines, and unless someone figures out a way to change scientific principles, thats the way its going to say. You are the ignorant one for believing otherwise.

Obviously you don't need a big V8 to go "fast", but if you want to be the fastest, thats what you get. And what do you think is going to last longer reliability wise and which would be more driveable?? A 600WHP V8 on 10PSI or a 600WHP 6 cylinder on 30PSI with race fuel?? Use some common sense. Either way small ricer engines lose the battle, thats the way the world works.

Have you look up the Texas mile?? Supra is at the top is it not?? That's going up against twin turbo vipers and tt Ford GT's. They are all turbocharged and on race gas and all are street cars, the Supra is 20 to 30mph faster.

Just stating the facts no name calling now.:drivin:

[Wesman]

Have you look up the Texas mile?? Supra is at the top is it not?? That's going up against twin turbo vipers and tt Ford GT's. They are all turbocharged and on race gas and all are street cars, the Supra is 20 to 30mph faster.

Just stating the facts no name calling now.:drivin:

How about a source??

That makes absolutely no sense.

[jomo]

Go to You tube type in Texas mile record,the supra ran 241.8 mph in a standing mile.This is the second year in a row a supra was the fastest,the Viper boys are vowing vengence next year.

[Wesman]

Go to You tube type in Texas mile record,the supra ran 241.8 mph in a standing mile.This is the second year in a row a supra was the fastest,the Viper boys are vowing vengence next year.

So obviously the boys at "Boost Logic" have a ton more money invested in the car if they are beating Vipers, Vettes, and Ford GT's.

Once again, back to simple physics:

If that Supra can go that fast with a 3.0L, a 5.4, 6.0, or 8.3 will surely go faster with the same amount of time and money invested.

I'm sure the Domestic guys will bring back the glory for the home team in 2009.

[wooddaniel]

Can't we all just get along?

[jomo]

Well wesman we will see in 2009 and I will leave at that,seasons greeting wesman.

[Superluminal]

there are many american engines running 1,000,000+ miles on over 30lbs of boost...

We'll exclude diesel engines for the time being, because they're both reliable on the import and domestic side.

[Superluminal]

So obviously the boys at "Boost Logic" have a ton more money invested in the car if they are beating Vipers, Vettes, and Ford GT's.

Once again, back to simple physics:

If that Supra can go that fast with a 3.0L, a 5.4, 6.0, or 8.3 will surely go faster with the same amount of time and money invested.

I'm sure the Domestic guys will bring back the glory for the home team in 2009.

I totally forgot about the Texas Mile record being held by a Toyota Supra. We'll see in 2009, there are a lot of new impressive builds coming out from both sides of the fence. It will be interesting to see who takes the cake.

On that note, I guess we can close the case on this, since we've both said what we wanted to say.

[4tun8]

Guys bigger is obviously better........I mean Indy Race cars are built by idiots anyway.

[Wesman]

Guys bigger is obviously better........I mean Indy Race cars are built by idiots anyway.

And guess what??

If they had larger displacement engines and spun to the same RPM, they would make even more power!!

What a revelation!!

Not that you would understand that concept though, you are very narrow minded.

[95camaroZNC]

Wait wait so a 2jZ, arguably the only thing that toyota has ever done correctly in the FAST category, something thats also dated technology, is the BEST car to build power on? How much more does a 1995 TT supra SHELL cost over the cost of a running ls1 car? Hell how much does a 1995 TT supra RUNNING with 100k miles on it cost compared to a RUNNING ls7 camaro....... Sure if you have gobs of money to spend on a car thats old, used,beat and youll have to replace pretty much everything in it and rebuild the block and you have all that money to throw away, im sure a supra is wounderful but for the most part they have all been beat to hell there arent that many left around that someone doesnt want to charge you a arm and a leg for, a SHELL not running no engine will cost you more then a RUNNING ls1. Is it really worth it?

[Wesman]

Wait wait so a 2jZ, arguably the only thing that toyota has ever done correctly in the FAST category, something thats also dated technology, is the BEST car to build power on? How much more does a 1995 TT supra SHELL cost over the cost of a running ls1 car? Hell how much does a 1995 TT supra RUNNING with 100k miles on it cost compared to a RUNNING ls7 camaro....... Sure if you have gobs of money to spend on a car thats old, used,beat and youll have to replace pretty much everything in it and rebuild the block and you have all that money to throw away, im sure a supra is wounderful but for the most part they have all been beat to hell there arent that many left around that someone doesnt want to charge you a arm and a leg for, a SHELL not running no engine will cost you more then a RUNNING ls1. Is it really worth it?

I suppose only to a true Toyota "enthusiast".

Which is something I would be embarassed to admit.

"Toyota...building the most boring vehicles on the planet, one hybrid at a time".

[95camaroZNC]

I suppose only to a true Toyota "enthusiast".

Which is something I would be embarassed to admit.

"Toyota...building the most boring vehicles on the planet, one hybrid at a time".

Amen. They havent built anything else worth a damn since, lets see how well that goes if the volt ever comes out.

[Superluminal]

Wait wait so a 2jZ, arguably the only thing that toyota has ever done correctly in the FAST category, something thats also dated technology, is the BEST car to build power on? How much more does a 1995 TT supra SHELL cost over the cost of a running ls1 car? Hell how much does a 1995 TT supra RUNNING with 100k miles on it cost compared to a RUNNING ls7 camaro....... Sure if you have gobs of money to spend on a car thats old, used,beat and youll have to replace pretty much everything in it and rebuild the block and you have all that money to throw away, im sure a supra is wounderful but for the most part they have all been beat to hell there arent that many left around that someone doesnt want to charge you a arm and a leg for, a SHELL not running no engine will cost you more then a RUNNING ls1. Is it really worth it?

You must have not read our debate. It's a page or two back if you car to read.

[xzaero0]

There is only one Supra running around here that I can even remember ever seeing. Its a newer one. 20s on it and its nothing special. A 300+hp Supra or even a Mustang around here is a very rare.

[stangereater]

i burned an sti in my cummins the other night. an evo the week before.

there is a spot around where i live that has some mean twisties one after another, i wait at the top and bottom of them and wait for shit to drive by that thinks they can bang turns, and i burn them. as for a straight line-i've never lost to an awd car, i know there are some that can burn me out there. . . .but they can't afford to put c16 or cam2 in their tanks enough to come see me when i'm out.
ricer mentality goes well beyond owning a rice burner. they think awd is best when all real race cars are rwd. . .they think cuz they hit 30 instantly w/ an awd launch that they "beat vettes all the time". they burn a 3rd gen v6 w/ dual exhaust and claim they "burn v8's all the time". and they see commercials like the ones ford 'n toyota put out for their trucks and they run out and buy them.

You know they felt like shit getting out ran by a big truck!!:notworthy:

[Superluminal]

You know they felt like shit getting out ran by a big truck!!:notworthy:

That must be one rediculous truck. I don't think I've ever lost to a deisel truck, and I've raced some fast ones.