VIDEO! Z28(me) vs 5.0 Cammed

[Rikki_SeVeN]

well guys... here's a video of me racing a buddy of mine...

he's got a 1995 Mustang GT 5.0L 5-speed, that's cammed with 3.73's out back... it doesn't have much yet... but it'll be tuned by mid december and we'll try again!

ENJOY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbc4fCzfPq8

[karpetcm]

damn that wasnt even close but then again thats expected, stock those run about 170-190 rwhp and who knows depending on cam still wouldnt bring it close even with the gears. Good race though, not to make fun of the older stangs there fairly cheap and with enough money you can get them pretty quick as is with many cars.

[Rikki_SeVeN]

it just put down 238whp and 263wtq... still missing a good tune...and intake/exhaust... and yeah... it's stock Dyno was 160whp... LOL

[Raptor285]

What are your mods? I see an SLP lid in your profile...looks like he didn't do to well, lol. The SN-95 stangs are a good bit heavier than the fox bodies right? Low hp plus heavy car = :giveup:


Edit: Wow 160 whp? Yuck...that's like a grand prix gt or v6 camaro...

[Rikki_SeVeN]

I made 294whp... LOL... that should explain the beating...

[karpetcm]

The rwhp difference is just too much, its not just hp difference either the gearing and the quick revving motor of the LS1 also plays a big factor. At 238 rwhp its definitly good and thats a bit more then the 99-04 mustang gt's i apologize if im off on the years or numbers. With just an SLP Lid and A4 that was a really good pull on the stang good job.

[Rikki_SeVeN]

The rwhp difference is just too much, its not just hp difference either the gearing and the quick revving motor of the LS1 also plays a big factor. At 238 rwhp ist definitly good and thats a bit more then the 99-04 mustang gt's i apologize if im off on the years or numbers. With just an SLP Lid and A4 that was a really good pull on the stang good job.

thanks!... we're both going the same day to get our cars tuned...and then we're gonna have another video for you guys! see what's up

[Raptor285]

If you are both getting tuned I see the same outcome in your future, lol! :flex:

[hutch1999]

good run, lookin forward for the next vid

[Cayenne97]

it just put down 238whp and 263wtq... still missing a good tune...and intake/exhaust... and yeah... it's stock Dyno was 160whp... LOL

Good kill!

However, i'm baffled at how he put down 238rwhp with the stock intake and exhaust??? That number looks like a cammed 5-0 with supporting bolt-ons. :think:

And was the 160rwhp stock on a Mustang dyno?

[Rikki_SeVeN]

Good kill!

However, i'm baffled at how he put down 238rwhp with the stock intake and exhaust??? That number looks like a cammed 5-0 with supporting bolt-ons. :think:

And was the 160rwhp stock on a Mustang dyno?

he put that number down... with all the stuff on it... to make power...EXCEPT... aftermarket Exhaust and Intake... so he already had CAM and all that jazz... which is how he raced me...

the 160whp was his bone stock run...on a dynojet

[95camaroZNC]

That was pretty funny.

[Cayenne97]

he put that number down... with all the stuff on it... to make power...EXCEPT... aftermarket Exhaust and Intake... so he already had CAM and all that jazz... which is how he raced me...

the 160whp was his bone stock run...on a dynojet

I fixed the spelling error for you. :D

[Rikki_SeVeN]

I fixed the spelling error for you. :D

every once in a while I have a slip up!... :nana:..

you try spelling everything right in SPANISH!... hehe

[Midnight02]

Nice run -- that one was a real nail biter!

[Rikki_SeVeN]

he got the full Exhaust, finally... I only beat him by 2 cars this time!... LOL

intake just got here, so we'll try it again tonight...

[mogs01gt]

it just put down 238whp and 263wtq... still missing a good tune...and intake/exhaust... and yeah... it's stock Dyno was 160whp... LOL
That is pretty pathetic. My buddies same year of 5.0 put down 225hp with an off road mid pipe, mufflers and AC delete.

The rwhp difference is just too much, its not just hp difference either the gearing and the quick revving motor of the LS1 also plays a big factor. At 238 rwhp its definitly good and thats a bit more then the 99-04 mustang gt's i apologize if im off on the years or numbers. With just an SLP Lid and A4 that was a really good pull on the stang good job.
99-04's GT dyno around 225-235.

[Rikki_SeVeN]

That is pretty pathetic. My buddies same year of 5.0 put down 225hp with an off road mid pipe, mufflers and AC delete.

he had stock exhaust and intake, the car was really held up... he put the Xpipe on there and the Flowmasters, and it's running WAY better... and today he got the intake and we'll try that one again...

[mogs01gt]

he had stock exhaust and intake, the car was really held up... he put the Xpipe on there and the Flowmasters, and it's running WAY better... and today he got the intake and we'll try that one again...
Depending which X pipe, that sucker is gonna sound like ASS. Which headers is he running?

[Rikki_SeVeN]

Depending which X pipe, that sucker is gonna sound like ASS. Which headers is he running?

it's a Magnaflow X... it sounds really nice... headers are elCheapo from Summit...

[mogs01gt]

it's a Magnaflow X... it sounds really nice... headers are elCheapo from Summit...
Normally flowchokers and X pipes sound like crap but the Magnaflow X is a different design. Headers are just headers, should work. I meant to ask, long tube or shorties.

[Rikki_SeVeN]

Normally flowchokers and X pipes sound like crap but the Magnaflow X is a different design. Headers are just headers, should work. I meant to ask, long tube or shorties.

ouh... well they are Long Tube...

[mogs01gt]

ouh... well they are Long Tube...
cool, he should be after the tune well over 260rwhp and 300rwtq. Which cam is he running? I hope not the shitty e303 cam.

[Rikki_SeVeN]

cool, he should be after the tune well over 260rwhp and 300rwhp. Which cam is he running? I hope not the shitty e303 cam.

300rwtq**

yeah... I don't know the cam, all I know is that it has like 280 lift... or something...(I don't know much about cams)

[mogs01gt]

300rwtq**
yeah... I don't know the cam, all I know is that it has like 280 lift... or something...(I don't know much about cams)
yeah sounds like the e303 cam.
Duration 282/ 282, Lift .498/ .498,

[Rikki_SeVeN]

yeah sounds like the e303 cam.
Duration 282/ 282, Lift .498/ .498,

in any case I'll ask him later

[Cayenne97]

That is pretty pathetic. My buddies same year of 5.0 put down 225hp with an off road mid pipe, mufflers and AC delete.


Sounds like your buddy put his car on an inflated dyno if you ask me. Especially if his car is an SN95 5-0.

[mogs01gt]

Sounds like your buddy put his car on an inflatable dyno if you ask me. Especially if his car is an SN95 5-0.
No that is right on when you remove the cats. They dont put down 160rwhp like stated before. Normally in the 190-200s for the 5.0s and 180-190s for the 4.6s(96-98). Removing the cats is an easy 15hp.

[Cayenne97]

No that is right on when you remove the cats. They dont put down 160rwhp like stated before. Normally in the 190-200s for the 5.0s and 180-190s for the 4.6s(96-98). Removing the cats is an easy 15hp.

Hmm...I've never seen gains quite that high. Not calling B.S. or anything like that though. I have a lot of experience w/ 5.0's and 4.6's, have owned a couple, and the usual gains I saw from an off-road H-pipe were around 10rwhp. I agree that 160whp stock doesn't sound right.

[Rikki_SeVeN]

you have obviously never been to PR... down here, with all the humidity and heat... most cars throw down low numbers...and considering it is a 14 year old car... the numbers seems about right

[Cayenne97]

you have obviously never been to PR... down here, with all the humidity and heat... most cars throw down low numbers...and considering it is a 14 year old car... the numbers seems about right

What is PR? Yeah I obviously don't go there much. And what does the year of a car have to do with anything? I just put a 15 year old '93 Z28 M6 w/ 127k miles on the rollers and it was right where it should of been. As long as a motor is in sound condition years don't mean much.

[mogs01gt]

Hmm...I've never seen gains quite that high. Not calling B.S. or anything like that though. I have a lot of experience w/ 5.0's and 4.6's, have owned a couple, and the usual gains I saw from an off-road H-pipe were around 10rwhp. I agree that 160whp stock doesn't sound right.
Its pretty common actually. Mustangs gain nothing from catbacks, everything is gained from removing the cats and the larger mid pipe. I put 257 down to the wheels with just long tube headers, no cats and a catback.

What is PR? Yeah I obviously don't go there much. And what does the year of a car have to do with anything? I just put a 15 year old '93 Z28 M6 w/ 127k miles on the rollers and it was right where it should of been. As long as a motor is in sound condition years don't mean much.
Well my buddies 5.0 was low mileage, I think like 15k.

[Cayenne97]

Its pretty common actually. Mustangs gain nothing from catbacks, everything is gained from removing the cats and the larger mid pipe. I put 257 down to the wheels with just long tube headers, no cats and a catback.


Depends on the year. 5.0's actually do get a few from just a cat-back alone, similar gains to what i've seen LT1's get from just a CB. Now i'm not sure with the two-valve, but I do know four-valves ('96-98) gain nothing.

[mogs01gt]

Depends on the year. 5.0's actually do get a few from just a cat-back alone, similar gains to what i've seen LT1's get from just a CB. Now i'm not sure with the two-valve, but I do know four-valves ('96-98) gain nothing.
The major problem with catbacks is that everyone goes with the flowmasters 5.slows. My buddy has dynomax dumps but I think on his old 5.0 engine, the AC delete gave him a nice jump on power. Well he has plugs, ignition and wires but that is just standard maintenance stuff.

It runs high 13s with traction.

[Cayenne97]

The major problem with catbacks is that everyone goes with the flowmasters 5.slows. My buddy has dynomax dumps but I think on his old 5.0 engine, the AC delete gave him a nice jump on power. Well he has plugs, ignition and wires but that is just standard maintenance stuff.

It runs high 13s with traction.

Your buddy is a good driver! My '90 25th Anniv. GT wen't 14.9x/93 in stock form. I bumped the timing up to 12* BTDC, short-belt swap, removed stock air box, removed rear sway bar and got in the mid 14's. After Flowtech long-tubes, Flowtech X-pipe, Flowmaster 1-chambers I was still in the 14's on street rubber.

[mogs01gt]

Your buddy is a good driver! My '90 25th Anniv. GT wen't 14.9x/93 in stock form. I bumped the timing up to 12* BTDC, short-belt swap, removed stock air box, removed rear sway bar and got in the mid 14's. After Flowtech long-tubes, Flowtech X-pipe, Flowmaster 1-chambers I was still in the 14's on street rubber.
His is on DR's but with Summit Racing brand control arms. His battery is in the trunk as well. His best time was with two 12'' subs in the trunk to. :spit:

ohh shit, I forgot he has an aluminum driveshaft as well. Im not sure if dyno numbers are affected by driveshafts that much

[hutch1999]

What is PR?

rikki is from puerto rico

[mogs01gt]

http://i25.tinypic.com/fx87zt.jpg
Here is a dyno graph of a stock fox body from Florida. The lower number is the car with an auto, the bigger is after the stock t5 5spd swap.

[Cayenne97]

rikki is from puerto rico

Yeah I know. I see it in his Avator box.

http://i25.tinypic.com/fx87zt.jpg
Here is a dyno graph of a stock fox body from Florida. The lower number is the car with an auto, the bigger is after the stock t5 5spd swap.

Now those numbers look dead on for a stock 5-speed 5-0.

[BLACKNIGHT03Z06]

Nice kill man

[Rikki_SeVeN]

the cam was the B303... not the E

[Cayenne97]

the cam was the B303... not the E

I'm familiar with that cam. That's the 224/224 .480 lift stick. Better mid-range and a more noticeable idle than the "E".

[mogs01gt]

I'm familiar with that cam. That's the 224/224 .480 lift stick. Better mid-range and a more noticeable idle than the "E".
Its a better cam but I thought the duration was 284 or is that not at .050

[BLACKNIGHT03Z06]

Its a better cam but I thought the duration was 284 or is that not at .050

Being an old 5.0 guy I was thinking that the B303 was the more street friendly cam and required less stall on the automatics and the E303 was the big boy that was only recommended for the 5 speeds and had a much more noticeable idle. The 284 is not at .050.

[Rikki_SeVeN]

Being an old 5.0 guy I was thinking that the B303 was the more street friendly cam and required less stall on the automatics and the E303 was the big boy that was only recommended for the 5 speeds and had a much more noticeable idle. The 284 is not at .050.

as my friend put it... the B303 is the...N/A cam... that's not über agresive... it sounds mean though...

last night we tried that one again... only got him by a car and a half... and a 05+ Mustang joined the race, and he got raped baaaaad...by both of us...

[BLACKNIGHT03Z06]

as my friend put it... the B303 is the...N/A cam... that's not über agresive... it sounds mean though...

last night we tried that one again... only got him by a car and a half... and a 05+ Mustang joined the race, and he got raped baaaaad...by both of us...

Again nice kills man.

[Rikki_SeVeN]

Again nice kills man.

thanks, but the 5.0L I no longer consider a kill... cause... he's my bud, and we're trying to help him reach the point where he'll kick my ars... that'll motivate me to start putting cash in my car again!

again, we tune on the 13th... video will be up that night

[BLACKNIGHT03Z06]

thanks, but the 5.0L I no longer consider a kill... cause... he's my bud, and we're trying to help him reach the point where he'll kick my ars... that'll motivate me to start putting cash in my car again!

again, we tune on the 13th... video will be up that night

Why not turn that Vette in the picture into a beast?:happy:

[Rikki_SeVeN]

Why not turn that Vette in the picture into a beast?:happy:

that's my dad's car... it's a C5 Vert 6-speed... I love the thing... it has an intake, that's it... gonna get a new clutch soon, and hopefully some exhaust...


here, watch what it can do with an Evo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm8F0NovfNw

evo is modded... I know the guy... the vett was 100% stock

[BLACKNIGHT03Z06]

that's my dad's car... it's a C5 Vert 6-speed... I love the thing... it has an intake, that's it... gonna get a new clutch soon, and hopefully some exhaust...


here, watch what it can do with an Evo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm8F0NovfNw

evo is modded... I know the guy... the vett was 100% stock

Nice man. I had some very noteable kills in my last Z06 but only have a brand new Challenger SRT8 under my belt on my current Z06.

[mogs01gt]

as my friend put it... the B303 is the...N/A cam... that's not über agresive... it sounds mean though...

last night we tried that one again... only got him by a car and a half... and a 05+ Mustang joined the race, and he got raped baaaaad...by both of us...
1.5 cars, nice work! normally 5.0s take heads and intake to keep up.

[Cayenne97]

Being an old 5.0 guy I was thinking that the B303 was the more street friendly cam and required less stall on the automatics and the E303 was the big boy that was only recommended for the 5 speeds and had a much more noticeable idle. The 284 is not at .050.

The B has more duration and a more narrow LSA than the E, as well as a choppier idle compared to the the E cam. The E-cam will give you better low-speed torque than the B with a band beginning at 2500-rpm versus the B-cam's 3500-5000 band. Both cams will work good for a manual trans, however the B will require a pretty significant stall converter. In short, the B has the edge in high-rpm power, the E has the edge in manners.

[BLACKNIGHT03Z06]

The B has more duration and a more narrow LSA than the E, as well as a choppier idle compared to the the E cam. The E-cam will give you better low-speed torque than the B with a band beginning at 2500-rpm versus the B-cam's 3500-5000 band. Both cams will work good for a manual trans, however the B will require a pretty significant stall converter.

It's been 20 years I guess I had them backwards:nono: I hate it when that happens:brick:

[N20LT4]

The B-cam sucks anyways. My 02. :)